Enhancing Desire: The Sporty BMW 2 Series Coupe, Cabrio, M235i, M2, Sedan Gran Coupe |
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04-24-2012, 07:50 PM | #23 | |
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I really hate the 2 series and 4 series names. M235i sounds awful. I think M4 is the worst though, simply unforgivable.
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I don't think there is much evidence of excessive model proliferation here.
It is safe to have expected a 228i and a 235i for some time to replace the current 128i and 135i coupes and convertibles. The M235 could reasonably replace the M1 coupe. Now that the 3 series has inevitably creeped up in dimensions there is even more ability to have a slighly roomier and comfortable smaller BMW. Let's just hope they keep the weight down and the 1-series headlights away. The only thing here that would be news would be some kind of 2 series gran coupe. It seems unlikely as the car would already be narrow and short. I can't imagine how it could also have a low roofline and a long silhoutte. There wouldn't be room for four people inside it! Cheers! ~~~~NPD2983 |
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Loved the simplicity of BMW from exterior and interior design to even the models/cars themselves but I think this is just overkill with all these extensions. Ahh well. BMW has to got to do what they got to do. As long as their product is better than the competition, I won't be going anywhere.
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Your statement is categorizing what BMW should be, not what it is. If anything the 1-Series is becoming, if not already, the car BMW has always been known for - sporty and compact that has that raw driving feel (see: 1M), not like the other BMW models that are getting more and more computer-influenced each generation. I don't know how it is there but people who drive a 1-Series here are labelled many things but not being able to afford a "real" BMW isn't one of them. |
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A friend of mine just picked up a 135... and man that thing is fun to drive. If the 1M was out and easily available when I picked up my M3, I would have had a really hard decision to make. Anyway, back on topic... I hope this all works out for BMW, but I feel like the history is being lost with these newer models in a way. To get a car like the e30 3 series you have to get a 1 or 2 series now. The f30 3 series is almost the size of the older 5 series. Don't get me started on the potential "M4."
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Words cannot describe how much I hate that stupid headlights of the current 1er. I am all for the "idea" of the 2 series, but it better not carry that same front end.
Also, as far as I'm concerned BMW never really took advantage of the opportunity to (re-)capture the enthusiasts' heart with the 1er, given that they are very much set on turning the 3er into the 5er of two generations ago. Wouldn't it be only logical to then turn the 1er into something more like the old-school 3er, with more engaging dynamics, less insulation / weight, and more aggressive chassis tuning? But that's not what BMW has done, instead they seem to be very much focused on making sure the 1er DOESN'T drive like a small car that it is. So if the 2 series really materializes, here is hoping that it would be a purer, more engaging expression of the BMW-ness, sans the stupid headlights. |
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Now if you're looking for something more "pure" then that's where the ///M division comes in. You're going to have to pay a premium if you want a sports car you can daily drive. |
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I'm excited to hear that BMW is considering a 2-series GC. I think there is absolutely a market for a compact sedan the size of the E46, and if BMW doesn't make one, then buyers like myself will look elsewhere. To me, a 2-series GC does not compete with the F30 (or C-class or A4).
Unfortunately, it sounds like any possible 2-series GC is at least 3-4 years away from ever seeing the light of day, which is well beyond the time that we will need to relace our aging E46 with a comparably sized car. Regardless, this is good news for the segment.
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I reckon this will be unavoidable with them borrowing heavily (if not in entirety) from the 1 series. Was the case with previous 1 series + current coupe / vert. Prove me wrong BMW.
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04-25-2012, 04:35 AM | #42 |
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The 2 series range seem an obvious renaming exercise in view of the expected precedence of the 3 series coupe becoming a 4 series. As to body styles, again natural to expect a coupe and cabrio. A 4 door saloon is being considered as likely to need to compete with the A3 and A class in the Chinese market. Only really excited by the prospect of a z2. As to the fwd 1 series I suppose they wish to compete against the successful A1 and make greater economies of the Mini platform and engines. All this is rather good for customers as we are getting more choice from all this competition to fill ever more niches.
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04-25-2012, 04:44 AM | #43 |
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I wonder wat the hell r BMW thinking. Just keep confusing the consumers by expanding the line. Upcoming 3 series coupe n conv named 4 series. 1 series coupe n conv named as 2 series. hate that thought. Would buy a all new M3 coupe or conv which named M4? I def not going to buy one if they do so.
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04-25-2012, 06:27 AM | #44 | |
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as opposed to now, when you buy a 1 series, you either have an F20 for 5 door, or F21 for 3 door. makes sense to me. they're not making more cars, just refining the difference between the models. for us, its just the pain point of changing how we look at the BMW ecosystem- for new buyers, it makes it simpler to see the options. |
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