[Jackie Chiles]

Originally Posted by W///

Just poking a little fun at you, so don't kill me. BMW offered all the colors you could ever want on the E9x and the E39 and you picked... drumroll... white and grey.

What's different with the M2?



You would be shocked. The E46 M3 CSL dropped 200 lbs compared to the regular car and cost how much? And it was hardly something you could DD all the time.

And you expect them to drop 500 lbs how exactly? Some of you guys ask for the world but wouldn't even know how to do it? Oh just throw CF everywhere

Are white and grey even colors?

[CMD6]

Im top of the waiting list at my local dealer for an M2 in the UK but i was hoping to have it in Yas Marina Blue with the silverstone interior

[B-1Pilot]

Turth be told there is only one real answer given the colors --

Alpine White and then add the ///M Livery.

The M5 is too big and luxurious to do this, but if I pull the trigger on a M2, this is the way I would go.

[twin fed]

I think that those who know how different an M is from any other regular series BMW will be the ones buying this car. If you need an S engine to believe that you have an M car buy a M3/M4. Save the M2 for the rest of us. I think that it is going to be a fantastic car that will blow away many peoples expectations. As far as the color choices, I am definitely disappointed, but truthfully the color is never a huge concern for me. I will go with MG and be happy with it. As nice as flashy colors are, they are way more noticeable by law enforcement and others who you don't want to draw attention from. I have past and current experience with this, so believe me. I do hope that there are more choices for the interior than black leather with blue stitching, I really would prefer the cloth sport seats. Anyone who knows anything about performance driving knows that cloth holds you in your place 100x better than leather.

[zdude123]

Wow if these are the only colors available at launch I'm pretty dissapointed. No Valencia Orange or Estoril Blue? Let's hope they add some more interesting colors.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Alumac

No it wasn't. What the 1 M had was slightly more focused engineering than the 135. It was not a night and day difference. People seem to equate the 700ish run of the 1M with an amazing car. No doubt it was good, at the time, but it was only slightly better than its 135 predecessors, which is why the M235 outdid it when it was released.

Let's face it, the only reason the 1M is currently pulling stupid prices is the limited run in the U.S.

LOL.

People said the same about the E30 M3 and the E30 325is.... which would you rather have in your garage right now ?

[Adem1534]

Anyone want to take a shot at whether or not the M2 will have LEDs as an option?

At this point, sadly, I don't think they're going to be available.

[twin fed]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

Anyone want to take a shot at whether or not the M2 will have LEDs as an option?

At this point, sadly, I don't think they're going to be available.

I'm gonna say that it won't have them

[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by twin fed

I'm gonna say that it won't have them

Now the question is, is the wait for the next model year worth it to get more color options and possibly more tech options such as the LED lights as the m240i and LCI are released...

[guarnibl]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

LOL.

People said the same about the E30 M3 and the E30 325is.... which would you rather have in your garage right now ?

325 -- the e30 m3 isn't worth the ridiculous prices people are asking for them -- to me at least.

[PackPride85]

I would advise all of you unhappy with the recent news to cancel your spot on the wait lists.....making it easier for me to get one

[W///]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

LOL.

People said the same about the E30 M3 and the E30 325is.... which would you rather have in your garage right now ?

the 325iS, because I could mod it and it would annihilate the M3 at everything and still have a ton of cash left.

/Joke

On a serious note, while it remains to be seen how much of the M3/4 the M2 is going to get, there's no doubt in my mind just how good the M2 is going to be.

If you can ignore the S55 while test driving it, you can just feel how much better the brakes and steering is on the M3/4 vs the M235i (but I prefer the size of the 2er). This wouldn't even be a debate. And yes, like it's been thrown around many times in this thread, it IS night and day.

Really, all I care now is the price. And maybe the weight. If they can make it lighter than the regular car by 70-80 lbs, while not much, I'd be happy enough.

[buumer]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

firstly:

135is: 3373 lbs
1M: 3296 lbs

secondly:

I had a 135is and got out of my lease early to get a 1M. I drive 130+ miles a day so I've driven the hell out of both of them. Believe me when I tell you that the 1M feels like an almost entirely different car than the 135is. It's not about the HP----you guys just don't get it.

The entire architecture underneath in the 1M is from the E9X M3. The steering rack, the brakes, subframes, sway bars, bushings, hubs, the widened track....it makes the car feel totally different. I'm not justifying my purchase....I went out of my way to buy a 1M after driving it...it has a character all of it's own.

The M2 is following the same thing. Screw the HP/Tq numbers...The M2 is going to have an M3 underneath----that is where the magic will be.

I know you M235 owners don't want to believe it but the M2 will also also be totally different to the M235 in terms of feel and enjoyment.

I got my weight from CD, and I assumed that they actually weigh each vehicle, both equipped with a manual.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ed-test-review

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...pe-test-review

Accounting for the different tire set ups between the vehicles, the 135is performed very similarly. The M2 will be a marginally better performer(obviously), but it will give up some day-to-day usability(as expected).

Will the M2 be totally different from the 235i? Only if you consider a clementine to be totally different from a mandarin.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by guarnibl

325 -- the e30 m3 isn't worth the ridiculous prices people are asking for them -- to me at least.

Excellent!! Not only are you stubborn you are a fool with money as well !

Even a dolt would take the e30 m3 and then sell it for the value of about three or four 325s and then buy a 325 and pocket the cash if a commuter car was needed or the 325 so " coveted...

[SCBMW02]

I have been a BMW guy ever since I saw Peter Gregg in the CSL at Road Atlanta in 1976! Been fortunate to own 10 in the last 20 yeas or so, including E36, E46 and E92 M3, Z3 M Roadster and Z4 35is. Current daily is the 2014 X5 35i. One of my closest friends works at BMW Performance Center, heck, went to the ring for the E92 launch in 2007! The M4 was a no brainer, but with price pushing 80K, I was all set to order M2. But, maybe I've lost it, my wife thinks so, and I have ordered the upcoming Shelby GT 350!

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by SCBMW02

I have been a BMW guy ever since I saw Peter Gregg in the CSL at Road Atlanta in 1976! Been fortunate to own 10 in the last 20 yeas or so, including E36, E46 and E92 M3, Z3 M Roadster and Z4 35is. Current daily is the 2014 X5 35i. One of my closest friends works at BMW Performance Center, heck, went to the ring for the E92 launch in 2007! The M4 was a no brainer, but with price pushing 80K, I was all set to order M2. But, maybe I've lost it, my wife thinks so, and I have ordered the upcoming Shelby GT 350!

You have lost it,, but enjoy. And I hope you don't lose your shirt when you trade for the LCI M2.

[Artemis]

To my eyes Long Beach Blue Metallic looks like a mix of petrol blue with turquoise, alike the Blue Lagoon cocktail featuring the blue curaçao liquor.

Frankly speaking, this car needs a more vivid color to mark its presence as newborn ///M breed within the car world. Now there's just monochrome (black/white/grey) and a rather underwhelming cocktail blue (despite the availability of so many great shades of blue). If the color poll is a tell-tale sign, cocktail blue (LBB) will be the most 'popular' M2 color, likely not as choice of preference, but as choice after elimination. We're gonna see wrapped M2s fairly quickly. To those craving for Techno Violet: get a TV wrap.

From hindsight, Valencia Orange was such a smart choice as launch color for the 1M: this original hallmark color stands out in grey traffic, a fast approaching bright spot in the rear view mirror. Check the Porsche marketing strategy with the Cayman GT4: in-your-face yellow as launch color. It seems that the marketing folks at BMW totally missed out on that easy opportunity: color as a statement. I don't get it, really.

As regards power and torque I can imagine that BMW is reserving some extra hp and Nm for the track-focused M2 GTS/CSL sibling. No need for 400+hp for the M2 base version.

Let there be no doubt, the M2 will be a great car. BMW M will have done its homework properly and likely agreed upon an acceptable 'compromise' with the bean-counters worried about M3/M4 sales.

What we're gonna witness in the forthcoming weeks and months are similar 2010/2011 135i/1M discussions with some claiming that the M2 base version is "just a souped up M235i". Subsequently people will test drive the car and virtually all criticism will vanish (except for the lack of a vivid color choice for now + the need for a more growling aftermarket exhaust [BMW has to observe legal restrictions]).

And what about the 1M value within the brotherhood of ///M ? The once and future king of compact sports cars still steers clear from 'the drop' that some claim(ed). M3/M4/M235i releases didn't quite hurt it. The future will tell whether the release of the M2 base version will be of significant influence for it.

[JustChris]

Nice post Artemis . I think you've reminded me that I might await details of the M2 CSL. I think those details themselves are some way way off though and will in no way be confirmed or announced at the M2 launch to avoid confusion and delaying possible sales.

I'd pay M4 money for a car that just looked as a good as the Vision GT with 365HP What a cracking concept that really is.

[M3 n X5M]

Originally Posted by Artemis

To my eyes Long Beach Blue Metallic looks like a mix of petrol blue with turquoise, alike the Blue Lagoon cocktail featuring the blue curaçao liquor.

Frankly speaking, this car needs a more vivid color to mark its presence as newborn ///M breed within the car world. Now there's just monochrome (black/white/grey) and a rather underwhelming cocktail blue (despite the availability of so many great shades of blue). If the color poll is a tell-tale sign, cocktail blue (LBB) will be the most 'popular' M2 color, likely not as choice of preference, but as choice after elimination. We're gonna see wrapped M2s fairly quickly. To those craving for Techno Violet: get a TV wrap.

From hindsight, Valencia Orange was such a smart choice as launch color for the 1M: this original hallmark color stands out in grey traffic, a fast approaching bright spot in the rear view mirror. Check the Porsche marketing strategy with the Cayman GT4: in-your-face yellow as launch color. It seems that the marketing folks at BMW totally missed out on that easy opportunity: color as a statement. I don't get it, really.

As regards power and torque I can imagine that BMW is reserving some extra hp and Nm for the track-focused M2 GTS/CSL sibling. No need for 400+hp for the M2 base version.

Let there be no doubt, the M2 will be a great car. BMW M will have done its homework properly and likely agreed upon an acceptable 'compromise' with the bean-counters worried about M3/M4 sales.

What we're gonna witness in the forthcoming weeks and months are similar 2010/2011 135i/1M discussions with some claiming that the M2 base version is "just a souped up M235i". Subsequently people will test drive the car and virtually all criticism will vanish (except for the lack of a vivid color choice for now + the need for a more growling aftermarket exhaust [BMW has to observe legal restrictions]).

And what about the 1M value within the brotherhood of ///M ? The once and future king of compact sports cars still steers clear from 'the drop' that some claim(ed). M3/M4/M235i releases didn't quite hurt it. The future will tell whether the release of the M2 base version will be of significant influence for it.

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Great thoughts! I agree on all these.

Today on the way to work, while in my E90 M3 a black 1 M rolled up in the city traffic... The wide curves of the fenders... the rolling look of the 359 M wheels and the bulldog sense of the car was awesome. The sound of the exhaust is actually great. The car just was fantastic to see... I only see a couple here in Baltimore and that was a repeat chance with this one.

The M2 should fill those shoes and continue to provide that bulldog, short- wheelbase look and the wide hips to the rear with that nasty exhaust note. I would definitely entertain this car as a replacement to my E90 M3...
Or maybe even over the X5M. What a cool car that 1 M is... and the M2 should follow suit.

[chmura]

BMW should put 400+ HP into the M2. Make it a no frills M car. No HUD, No radar Cruise, No lane changing BS, manual only, just maybe and I say maybe keep navigation for engine info, etc. Make the M2 out perform the M3/M4!

This recipe will not impact M3/M4 sales because many mextrosexuals that own a M3/M4 want HUD, radar cruise, lane changing camera, etc in the car! Lets face it, lots of people on the M4 want all these non performance type features.

If BMW makes a less luxurious M2 but increase the performance I believe this will not hurt M4 sales one bit!

This is the type of car I want.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by buumer

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Accounting for the different tire set ups between the vehicles, the 135is performed very similarly. The M2 will be a marginally better performer(obviously), but it will give up some day-to-day usability(as expected).

Will the M2 be totally different from the 235i? Only if you consider a clementine to be totally different from a mandarin.

official numbers are better than C&D.

did you even read my post? this isn't about 0-60 times it is about how great a car is to drive....this won't just be a 'tuned M235'....it will be restructured underneath----that's why the 1M is so special not because it has 15hp more...

I feel like a broken record here but some of you simply don't understand the basics of these cars. The M2 will be significantly better to drive than the M235....just like the M3 is significantly better to drive than a 335....etc, etc..

If the M235 is a clementine, the M2 will be a big fat juicy honker of an orange: no comparison at all.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Artemis

To my eyes Long Beach Blue Metallic looks like a mix of petrol blue with turquoise, alike the Blue Lagoon cocktail featuring the blue curaçao liquor.

Frankly speaking, this car needs a more vivid color to mark its presence as newborn ///M breed within the car world. Now there's just monochrome (black/white/grey) and a rather underwhelming cocktail blue (despite the availability of so many great shades of blue). If the color poll is a tell-tale sign, cocktail blue (LBB) will be the most 'popular' M2 color, likely not as choice of preference, but as choice after elimination. We're gonna see wrapped M2s fairly quickly. To those craving for Techno Violet: get a TV wrap.

From hindsight, Valencia Orange was such a smart choice as launch color for the 1M: this original hallmark color stands out in grey traffic, a fast approaching bright spot in the rear view mirror. Check the Porsche marketing strategy with the Cayman GT4: in-your-face yellow as launch color. It seems that the marketing folks at BMW totally missed out on that easy opportunity: color as a statement. I don't get it, really.

As regards power and torque I can imagine that BMW is reserving some extra hp and Nm for the track-focused M2 GTS/CSL sibling. No need for 400+hp for the M2 base version.

Let there be no doubt, the M2 will be a great car. BMW M will have done its homework properly and likely agreed upon an acceptable 'compromise' with the bean-counters worried about M3/M4 sales.

What we're gonna witness in the forthcoming weeks and months are similar 2010/2011 135i/1M discussions with some claiming that the M2 base version is "just a souped up M235i". Subsequently people will test drive the car and virtually all criticism will vanish (except for the lack of a vivid color choice for now + the need for a more growling aftermarket exhaust [BMW has to observe legal restrictions]).

And what about the 1M value within the brotherhood of ///M ? The once and future king of compact sports cars still steers clear from 'the drop' that some claim(ed). M3/M4/M235i releases didn't quite hurt it. The future will tell whether the release of the M2 base version will be of significant influence for it.

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As someone who has seen LBB and VO in real life, I assure you there's absolutely nothing subtle about that color at all. Not even remotely. I will maintain that LBB is right up there with VO and Racing Yellow in terms of how in your face it is.

In a way, it's very similar to the way it acts to light compared to VO. When it's overcast, VO is a burnt orange that really doesn't pop THAT much, compared to when it's super bright out and VO just comes alive. LBB is just like that.

I have a friend that doesn't know too much about cars or new BMW's, and she was telling me said she saw a weird cross over (BMW X6M), in this crazy amazing blue color. I knew right away it was LBB and showed a pic of it on my phone and she said "That's the one!! What an awesome color".

To be honest, while I wish there were more colors (I'd still pick LBB anyway), I think all 4 suit the M2 perfect. Can you imagine the fender flares with all these colors?

Come on BMW, let's see them!