[BLK235iNJ]

I will make my decision on whether to dump my 235 and go for the M2 when the engine specs are released. Ive put a decent amount of money into my car in tune, cai, and exhaust and I'm pushing 382/455 (flywheel). If the M2 comes out and its tunable to the numbers the M3/4 are getting I will jump right on it. Otherwise I keep my car and continue building it.

[abp689]

Originally Posted by den525

After seeing what the M2 is going to be like... Still think m235i is perfect for 90% of the population including me.

I keep thinking I will track the M2 ~ 6x a year. But after a couple of sessions of thinking how i might trash a $60k car, I will stop. Better served with a Miata for occasional track time.

Originally Posted by den525

Just for comparison sake my flat mate drives a 1M, in terms of feel of the car the M2 would be someone similar... It's a great driver's car but it's too harsh for the daily grind. For a good thrash? I'd take the 1M any day of the week! But for everyday I'd take the m235i

Good point. I passed up a e46M3 for that reason. As a primary car driving over 100 miles/day, I thought it would be too fatiguing. But it is a much shorter commute now.

Originally Posted by BLK235iNJ

I will make my decision on whether to dump my 235 and go for the M2 when the engine specs are released.

It will be interesting to see how much headroom is left for a tune on the 2.

[chmura]

I never even considered the M235i. I think once you own an M car you will not want to go back to a non M car. The driving dynamics are very different and more raw feeling than your standard BMW.

I have a $1k deposit down at my dealer for one.

M4 is just too big for me. M2 seems like a perfect size! Like a e46 again.

[BLK235iNJ]

I drove the M3/4/5 and the X5M this past week at Monticello Motorsports (autocrossed and did laps with m6) and none are close to my M235i Dinan Stage 2. Sorry M car or no M car... my car drove hands down much better. That being said I cant wait for the M2... I could only imaging how much better the m2 will be with the type of mods I made.

Originally Posted by chmura

I never even considered the M235i. I think once you own an M car you will not want to go back to a non M car. The driving dynamics are very different and more raw feeling than your standard BMW.

I have a $1k deposit down at my dealer for one.

M4 is just too big for me. M2 seems like a perfect size! Like a e46 again.

[isthar]

Yes.



Wait what? this is a discussion thread?

:-) I'm not even reading it yet, but to me? Yes, m235 > m2... I love a real daily driver that has both the smoothness and the punch.

I'll always be jealous of any M owner for owning an M. But in my situation owning one... isn't smart given where I live, where I drive, etc.

M235 > M2
QED

[MikeT]

Originally Posted by chmura

I never even considered the M235i. I think once you own an M car you will not want to go back to a non M car. The driving dynamics are very different and more raw feeling than your standard BMW.

I have a $1k deposit down at my dealer for one.

M4 is just too big for me. M2 seems like a perfect size! Like a e46 again.

I'm sure that the M2 will be awesome, but if you never even considered the M235, on what basis can you compare it to M cars?

We've heard folks who've gone from e46 & e90/92 M3s to the M235 and have been happy with it. The views of folks who have owned M cars and the M235i and have been satisfied with the latter would seem to count for something, IMO.

[3PedalMINI]

I gave up my number one position when I heard that it was just going to be a tuned version of the 235 engine..Considering that its tuned I doubt there will be much headroom for Dinan/AWE/Other Tuners to safely make the numbers....

Yeah Im giving up looks, a performance car but I learned that I rarely ever use a car to its full potential and the fear of me trashing a 60k car is enough to keep me away from the track

This being said, Honestly how much better can the 235i Get?!? During my ED i had permagrin and I just couldnt imagine it getting even better. I extensively drove an M4/M3 before I made my decision to go with the 235i and honestly I think the 235 is just the perfect car. Sadly the M3/4 just didnt capture me the way the 235 did during my countless hours of driving....

the M2 is going to be a beast but honestly im not convinced its going to be worth the 12-15k premium over the 235i! as far as a future "m"240 I have NO DOUBT bmw will be neutering the M235i to be just a 240 to keep from sabotaging sales from the M2...(honestly if they dont they should drop the M nomenclature and name it a 240ix like the 235 should have been, but I digress)

[midwest 340xi 6sp]

I've owned both previous generation M3's and loved em dearly...

Starting the S65 up at cold start was like having sex. The F8x just didnt tickle my fancy - albeit its a beast. I personally don't think its as attractive as its predecessors either. Very subjective I know.

The M235i is fast as f uck and while I'll consider (strongly) the M2 as my next ride, the M235 meets 98% of my needs and is lighter on the wallet too.

If you need a track car that's street ready? Gotta go M2. Need a very fast and fun street car you can track? M235i.

Nice choices to have huh?

[G-Mann]

Originally Posted by 3PedalMINI

I gave up my number one position when I heard that it was just going to be a tuned version of the 235 engine..Considering that its tuned I doubt there will be much headroom for Dinan/AWE/Other Tuners to safely make the numbers....

Similar thoughts on headroom, if already in a m235i is it worth the upgrade?

M2 > M235i but based on the info available I just don't see it worth me trading up. A detuned S55, larger turbo, more color options, upgraded interior would have sealed the deal for me.... At that 60k price point.

m235i is still the best pound for pound 50k car you can get IMO.

[Luminous]

Originally Posted by 3PedalMINI

I gave up my number one position when I heard that it was just going to be a tuned version of the 235 engine..Considering that its tuned I doubt there will be much headroom for Dinan/AWE/Other Tuners to safely make the numbers....

Yeah Im giving up looks, a performance car but I learned that I rarely ever use a car to its full potential and the fear of me trashing a 60k car is enough to keep me away from the track

This being said, Honestly how much better can the 235i Get?!? During my ED i had permagrin and I just couldnt imagine it getting even better. I extensively drove an M4/M3 before I made my decision to go with the 235i and honestly I think the 235 is just the perfect car. Sadly the M3/4 just didnt capture me the way the 235 did during my countless hours of driving....

the M2 is going to be a beast but honestly im not convinced its going to be worth the 12-15k premium over the 235i! as far as a future "m"240 I have NO DOUBT bmw will be neutering the M235i to be just a 240 to keep from sabotaging sales from the M2...(honestly if they dont they should drop the M nomenclature and name it a 240ix like the 235 should have been, but I digress)

Agreed. The fact that the M2 isn't getting a new engine was a major bummer for me. Throw a couple grand at an M235 and you can definitely be faster than a stock M2 at a much lower cost. My fbo 235 with ecu tune does 0-60 in 3.9s on a hot summer night, my buddies stock M4 only does 4.1s. For me personally the xdrive is a huge plus as well considering how bad the winters are here.

[Canaletto]

Originally Posted by pikcachu

Also in case of the Perf brakes they are the same as the M sport ones just different dimpled/slotted rotors

The M Performance Brakes are also a bit larger than the M Sport Brakes.

[Gibson6594]

It's very interesting. Between this and the M2 discussion forum, the M2 is getting bashed left and right for various reasons. The poor thing hasn't even be revealed yet.

I am hopeful that the M version of the 235 will be truly something special. Perhaps one of the best BMWs of all time.

[nike001]

Originally Posted by BLK235iNJ

I will make my decision on whether to dump my 235 and go for the M2 when the engine specs are released. Ive put a decent amount of money into my car in tune, cai, and exhaust and I'm pushing 382/455 (flywheel). If the M2 comes out and its tunable to the numbers the M3/4 are getting I will jump right on it. Otherwise I keep my car and continue building it.

It's using the N55. So don't get your hopes up on tune-ability.

[Pparana]

Keeping my 235i for a few years until the last year of the m2 and then will order one and trade it in. 235 is mostly a track toy with 10k in mods, m2 prob will be slower, but with 15-20 track days a year the car gets worn out fast.

[abp689]

I wasn't in the market when the 1M debuted. Was there a similar discussion about the 135is being very similar (with tune...) to the upcoming 1M prior to release?

While I would have liked to seen a bespoke engine in the 2, I would be fine if it has a special sound. That metallic wail of the S54 or the F1 scream of the S65 just makes me smile. Although, while the S55 is special, it just doesn't excite like the others.

[pikcachu]

Originally Posted by Canaletto

The M Performance Brakes are also a bit larger than the M Sport Brakes.

Yes M perf are 370 instead of 340 i believe

[abp689]

Originally Posted by Midwest M235i

I've owned both previous generation M3's and loved em dearly...

Starting the S65 up at cold start was like having sex. The F8x just didnt tickle my fancy - albeit its a beast. I personally don't think its as attractive as its predecessors either. Very subjective I know.

The M235i is fast as f uck and while I'll consider (strongly) the M2 as my next ride, the M235 meets 98% of my needs and is lighter on the wallet too.

If you need a track car that's street ready? Gotta go M2. Need a very fast and fun street car you can track? M235i.

Nice choices to have huh?

Agreed, the sound of that S65 is still in the back of my mind. But I am starting to agree that the 235 will hit 98% of my needs. It would be prudent to just wait until November for more M2 info, but just requested a quote for a 235 - so we will see?