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Real suspension (hint, better handling)- check. M DCT - check. Wider track (hint, better handling) - check. Reworked N55 - check. Less restrictive exhaust - check. LSD standard (hint, better handling again and do you notice a theme?) - check. Etc, etc.... The reason I'm in a 981 CS isn't because the 235 lacked power. My current car has significantly less power (torque). But it will turn like it is on rails and feels infinitely more planted than the 235 ever did. The M2 is going to be much much better in those regards, and that's why it is interesting. If you need unique seats and a CF roof and a hood bulge (all things that would be nice in the M2, don't get me wrong), then you need an M3/4. Because those things don't follow the 1M formula and the M2 definitely is doing that. The lack of options just means that BMW is sticking to the performance basics on this car - which the average enthusiast will appreciate and sell his kidney to have a chance to own. I couldn't live with the 235 anymore, so I bought a Porsche, but I went their "performance bargain" too. It's just a different mindset.
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I am of the school that the price tag for an M car should include the performance AND the luxury features. Doesn't one expect leather or alcantara not leatherette? Doesn't one expect larger stylish wheels?
Many people seem to want an M model to automatically be the CSL version, the rest of us want our cake and to eat it too.
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M2 beyond 2016?
Does this mean we know for sure that the M2 will live on beyond 2016 and not be a 1 year model like 1 series M?
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Including DCT and wider tires/wheels, those are not what I'd call insignificant. By the time you do that to an M235i, you'll be paying M2 kind of money anyway. Quote:
Thus why I'm not in a giant rush to get the first ones, even though I'm on the list. I also predict LED headlights will either be an option or standard as BMW is starting to phase out Xenons completely. Not the biggest deal in the world, but enough to make me think twice about waiting. Quote:
And for what it's worth, the M2 will come with leather and black 19" M3/4 wheels standard.
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I'm sure there will be very little difference in the price of an M3/4 after discounts than the M2 to start with, so I don't see any reason why anyone would be in a hurry to buy an M2, and don't say it's a lot smaller because it just isn't now that they've made it as wide as a bus and probably longer than an M235i, I know everyone thinks I'm just trolling but I really wanted an M2 until they made it too big, now I can't see a single reason to buy an M2, it's either an M235i or an M4 I'd buy, or most probably I'll just keep the M135i
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more models and editions and modifications than ever.
Of course it is a CSL. -all comments are opinion based. lol - I don't work for BMW anymore.
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This is coming from someone that is still considering an F80.
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This justification that "the M2 is an equal car, or an overhyped car compared to the m235i" is similar to the conversation of the 228i being "the perfect car in the line". Its the same arguments, "one tune and its equall in hp to the m235i" blah blah blah "A 228i with trackpack and a tune is 10k cheaper, meaning its more worthy than the m235i". "The 228i feels lighter in the front, meaning it has a better feeling" and so on... And no, ppl simply buy it because its the best. And ethusiast wants the best, nothing more advanced then that. Last edited by Makman; 09-23-2015 at 09:26 AM.. |
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1. Your first statement about not being able to see why anyone would prefer the M2 over an M4 if the prices aren't loads off, is ridiculous. There are people who liked the 1M better than the e92. There will be people who like the M2 over the F80/2. Not because of price, but because of how the M2 operates and captivates the driver in a different way. So enough of that, please. It's actually frustrating as you're suggesting that we simply don't have enough money. You'll have to wake up and realize that there are certain things that other people are looking for that the M4 does not provide that the M2 will. Alright. 2. The M2 will be a lot smaller. That's a fact. Your comments are downright ridiculous. No, the M2 will not be longer than the M235i. No, it is not as wide as a bus. News flash: having wide flares does not make it necessarily a wider car in the sense that you think a bus is wide. The width from door handle to door handle will be exactly the same. The wider wheel base will actually make the car feel smaller, because it will handle better. 3. It really seems you're just trying to rain on the parade, as suggesting that the M2 is too wide is seriously laughable and then going on to say the m4 which is wider door to door and 8 inches longer is the better buy for everyone doesn't make sense considering different people want different things. Anyone who has driven both cars knows the M235i feels like a go cart compared to the large M4. I am not sure why you are so salty about the M2. I understand I'm polar opposite, and am quite a bit of a fan boy for this car. But I must say your comments are on the polar opposite side, not realstic, and downright pretty wild. You are entitled to your owm opinion. However, that is why some of us think you are trolling. Last edited by Adem1534; 09-23-2015 at 11:22 AM.. |
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Well hats off to the BMW marketers who have whored out the ///M brand to the point where just placing the letter "M" on something automatically equates to the performance level of an ///M car. Sure, the M235 is a great car, but it's not an ///M car. Yes, it nearly out performs the ///M version of the previous generation as it should because this is the natural evolution of cars.
For those who have drunk the M235 Kool Aid and believe the M2 will only be marginally better, please put down your sippy cups. The foundation of the ///M brand is based on the full ///M products (ie., M1, 1M, M3, M4, M5, and M6) so they always have to be more than marginally better the M Performance model or however you want to call them. For those who are of the school that do not understand how the BMW line up works, the series dictates the luxury appointments. The 2 series is the base entry level model for the US. You're not going to get carbon fiber anything, nor heads up display, nor vented seats, etc. that are found in the higher series cars. ///M stands for Motorsport which means performance. Period!
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Please read the post right above yours. After you're done, do it again for good measure.
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700hp civic wouldn't be a good DD or reliable... As you alluded in your next retort.. But you probably want the m2 for the m badge, and are willing to pay 5k for 40hp. Different strokes for different folks.
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If you want some sways and m badges with a more aggressive flash from the factory. More power to you... All you 2er dudes sound like this guy Why would I need a girlfriend if I have an m car.
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