[pazzo]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

huh?

the M235i is definitely NOT an M car.....it doesn't have the development nor the uniqueness to be one.

Source?

With so little details yet to be released, how do you quantify this statement?

[PopsnBurbles]

No butt shots yet? WTH man? Did they purposely avoid to capture the rear?

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

huh?

the 1M was developed by the M-Division using DIFFERENT parts for suspension, braking, steering, etc from the standard 1-series. They don't just 'soup up' standard cars----they re-engineer them and "M" cars are not built alongside the standard models on the assembly line.

the M235i is definitely NOT an M car.....it doesn't have the development nor the uniqueness to be one. It is essentially an M-inspired car or for better terms an equivalent 'is' rebadged as an M235i.

Agree the M235i is not an M car.

But the 1M is not a traditional M car. It is a parts bin car with a tuned version of non-M engine. Doesn't mean it is a bad car, far from it actually.

[SoCali E36]

Very excited about this car. We have one on order for December production at work.

[clbmw]

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/bmw/2-s...ictures-leaked

Ha ha Auto Express are driving the rumour mill again stating an M2 is slated good for 350bhp and £45,000

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by clbmw

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/bmw/2-s...ictures-leaked

Ha ha Auto Express are driving the rumour mill again stating an M2 is slated good for 350bhp and £45,000

If there is a M2, it won't be for years.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by pazzo

Source?

With so little details yet to be released, how do you quantify this statement?

lol. are you serious? it's based off the underpinnings of the M135i...which is ALSO NOT an M car by any means. By history, you can learn that no M535 or M135 is a real M-car...it's just an M-inspired car built on the same lines as every standard model. it is neither built or developed by the M-division.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Agree the M235i is not an M car.

But the 1M is not a traditional M car. It is a parts bin car with a tuned version of non-M engine. Doesn't mean it is a bad car, far from it actually.

well the 1M is an M car, as it was developed BY the M division and built by the M division. That's enough as far as i'm concerned.

[pimp4cheddar]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

well the 1M is an M car, as it was developed BY the M division and built by the M division. That's enough as far as i'm concerned.

It's a slightly tuned N54 engine...found in a handful of other NON-M BMW's. Same seats, steering wheel, etc... as the normal 135i. How is that anymore "M" than this car?

The 1M is as much an M...as this car. lol


Your logic is so flawed. If the "division" that built the car is all your concerned with...you shouldn't be here commenting.

[pazzo]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

lol. are you serious? it's based off the underpinnings of the M135i...

more conjecture.
Unless you are a BMW engineer directly involved in the 2 project or working in the skunk works these statements are speculation.

Sure dimensions are similar, but chassis design could be totally different and likely will see upgraded components.

More to the point, All M cars start as BMW models first, with improved components, brakes, shocks, light weight materials, higher output motors etc.
They are not a design onto themselves, but rather an evolutionary improvement of the base series, meant primarily for track.

There is no way for you to know..."it doesn't have the development nor the uniqueness to be one" without knowing the details of the components that total the sum of the car.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by pazzo

more conjecture.
Unless you are a BMW engineer directly involved in the 2 project or working in the skunk works these statements are speculation.

Sure dimensions are similar, but chassis design could be totally different and likely will see upgraded components.

More to the point, All M cars start as BMW models first, with improved components, brakes, shocks, light weight materials, higher output motors etc.
They are not a design onto themselves, but rather an evolutionary improvement of the base series, meant primarily for track.

There is no way for you to know..."it doesn't have the development nor the uniqueness to be one" without knowing the details of the components that total the sum of the car.

Mark my words, the M235i is both not an M car and is also an M135i with a trunk lid.

[nanceman]

Replying to earlier posts, I really couldn't care less personally whether it's an "M" an "is" or anything else. It's more of a marketing/brand related continuation of what was established in the market and emphasizing the Motorsport brand. In terms of business strategy it makes little sense as it devalues what an "M" is to those "pure M" buyers. Along with the 4-series name, the decisions just don't make that much sense to me.

It's like Honda making an R-Accord that's slightly warmed over. When you have something that means something to the market it's an unwise business decision in the long run due to a loss in that core brand equity... Worst of all it may do little more than cannibalize M2 sales, rather than add to 235i sales.

Again, I couldn't care less and am very interested in checking this car out (assuming they finally get the steering to not feel like a video game), it's an analysis of BMW's market strategy. Perhaps there's a reason BMW didn't propagate the designation as used in the M535i way back when they made the E28.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by pimp4cheddar

It's a slightly tuned N54 engine...found in a handful of other NON-M BMW's. Same seats, steering wheel, etc... as the normal 135i. How is that anymore "M" than this car?

The 1M is as much an M...as this car. lol


Your logic is so flawed. If the "division" that built the car is all your concerned with...you shouldn't be here commenting.

well an M car is qualified by its development and construction. The seats and steering wheel do not qualify a car to be an M car....the engineering does. Not sure why some of you have difficulty understanding that.

it's pretty funny watching people like Pazzo argue this may be an M-car. How delusional....

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

Mark my words, the M235i is both not an M car and is also an M135i with a trunk lid.

+1

Although will stand by the 1M is not a true M-car (in the traditional sense).

[Transfer]

Originally Posted by bbarclay410

it is no less an M car than the 1M coupe. the 1M featured a suped up N54, if im correct, both this car and those previously mentioned M models (MX5 35d, M535d etc) are the same way either diesel or regular gasoline powered models, yet with added horsepower (and also feature a "powered by ///M" badge on the engine cover). The M division of BMW simply produces suped up versions of the typical BMW models, so how is this model any different?

Plus, this is not an M Sport model, it is a true M car because it is powered by an M tuned engine. Theres a difference between putting an M badge on a 335i and putting an M badge on this car. On another important point, this is essentially the next generation of the 1M Coupe. They did comparisons between the M135i and the 1M Coupe.

Barf. No.
M cars have LSDs from the factory, wider fenders, and better suspension/tuning than their counterparts. Also their interiors are better materials. It's not just the engine and BTW this car should have more HP ala the 1M if it was an M engine. The M performance M235i is no full ///M car. I think the Audi RS vs S comparison is completely accurate. This is BMW's S car.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

+1

Although will stand by the 1M is not a true M-car (in the traditional sense).

Sort of agree, but since it had bespoke body work, suspension unlike any other 1er and a slightly different interior, it's sort of 90% M, with the only exception being the engine.

Having said that, it's also likely to be the most collectible recent M car, whether it's as qualified as some of those produced in larger numbers or not.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by Transfer

Barf. No.
M cars have LSDs from the factory, wider fenders, and better suspension/tuning than their counterparts. Also their interiors are better materials. It's not just the engine and BTW this car should have more HP ala the 1M if it was an M engine. The M performance M235i is no full ///M car. I think the Audi RS vs S comparison is completely accurate. This is BMW's S car.

+1

I hope there will be factory options to get it a bit closer to a real M as the mentioned LSD but also stiffer and lower springs, beefier roll bars and larger wheels. High quality leather and audio would also be welcome.

The 1M is not only a real M it has many parts from the M3 which could be seen as reaching above it's class.

[joatmon1967]

Just realized what's missing, the side scuttle. The tiny little "///M" badge there, just looks blah.

[BMWRL]

Originally Posted by Jason

The 4 Series Convertible will make its debut at the LA Auto Show.

Yes, the 2 Series debuts at Detroit, together with the M3 and M4.

Thanks Jason, sucks for me! lol

[24601]

wow... looks really good. im surprised. thank god the F30 front didnt carry over!!

[essex_lad]

So I take it the 2 series is replacing the coupe and convertible 1 series like the 3 & 4 series?

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Bme30

Looks nice but the "M" badge is getting so played out! The "M" use to stand for something.....now it reminds me of all these Honda boys putting Type-R on everything :

this comment is so '90s...