[Fundguy1]

Not only would the charge stations need to be built infrastructure wise, the power grid would need a complete overhaul to handke ev cars becoming common. Its maxed out as it is.

[jpnh]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

Not only would the charge stations need to be built infrastructure wise, the power grid would need a complete overhaul to handke ev cars becoming common. Its maxed out as it is.

Would you please stop making sense?

I cant take it

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by The HACK

And in all reality, a very HIGH percentage of EV owners are upper middle class (EV is the new "luxury class" today). Vast as in, I believe, at one point California's Clean Energy commission, the organization that doles out the $2,500 rebate checks, released a study that shows something like over 80% of EV buyers who claim the credit has household income well in excess of $100,000. While that's not a measure for success, in my practical experience, those of us who DO drive EVs are typically a lot more successful than your average 'Murican. Like SIGNIFICANTLY more so. As in we typically live in households where there's more than 1 car for every car driving adult.

Funny, these statements are put on a BMW forum.
The new luxury? For you maybe. Tesla does not sit close to a 5 Series in anything. The fact that you pay that amount for electric motors and a battery, is your problem. They will provide you anytime, refurbished parts.

Anyway, happy to hear that you are a SIGNIFICANTLY successful and not an average 'Murican. Your lack in diplomacy, respect and class proves it. So the vocabulary used on previous posts. Don't bother to reply. I will ignore your comments.

[AndreyATC]

Originally Posted by Tracus

AndreyATC, your arguments are really untrue and puerile. The whole argument is childish; if you need to charge the vehicle and wait 45 minutes is cool because "the kids" need a break. But if you need to wait maxim 7 minutes to fill up an empty tank with 70 liters of gasoline is not ok.

Or you come up with charging at night procedure which will still take you 5 minutes put together to plug/unplug the vehicle.

I personally don't need even 10 minutes break, I put the gas buy two lottery tickets and I am on my way. You on the other hand are enforced to take that break, like it or not.
Do you hear or analyze your comments?

Attached, you have two pictures with two of the gas stations, one 3 streets away from my house and on my route to my house. As you can see, Google took the pictures on the same period, most likely the same day since they are on the same route.

Let me tell you how my driving to the gas station is : I am on my way, I make a right and 10 meters later I am in front of an unused pump. I swipe the card, I pick the gas and 7 minutes later I am gone. If the tank is empty. Nobody needs to go to the gas station; they are on the side of the road, all you need to do is to stop to fill up.

Please observe, how "busy" the gas stations are. If you want pictures from all on my route, I will gladly provide.

Secondly, nothing is free. Energy is not free and as soon as your community grows, once they have you, you will see.

Now you do the math, and please, be realistic.

Realistic???
You're the one who's brave enough to say plugging in takes 5min
Do you have to run 20 laps around the car before you plug it?
Procedure is just like if you'd plugin household plug into outlet

You have a very selective hearing
Repeat again, i plug in at home.
I can handle 30min charges a few times a year. But you are still spending more time at gas station per year than i do
Again, it is 30-40min now, this will change soon
And It is only when you are traveling further than 200 miles
And it is free for the life of my car, you can argue all you want, but that's part of my car purchase agreement
I'm in NY, and it's common to wait in lines in rush hours and also had to drive to gas up every week. No station was on my way home or work

[jpnh]

Originally Posted by AndreyATC

Again, it is 30-40min now, this will change soon
And It is only when you are traveling further than 200 miles

1. Its 8x as long <AT LEAST> to charge an EV as it is to fill up a gasser

2. What may come in the future is vaporware

3. It lacks the range of any sports car on the market, particularly when driven agressively

[AndreyATC]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

Not only would the charge stations need to be built infrastructure wise, the power grid would need a complete overhaul to handke ev cars becoming common. Its maxed out as it is.

Huh???
Power is taken from batteries to charge on Superchargers
Some of them could be completely off-grid.
Are you a grid expert by any chance?

[AndreyATC]

Originally Posted by jpnh

1. Its 8x as long <AT LEAST> to charge an EV as it is to fill up a gasser

2. What may come in the future is vaporware

3. It lacks the range of any sports car on the market, particularly when driven agressively

Wanna do math before you claim #1?
How much time you waste at gas station per year?

https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/21/ne...-world-record/

[jpnh]

Originally Posted by AndreyATC

Huh???
Power is taken from batteries to charge on Superchargers
Some of them could be completely off-grid.
Are you a grid expert by any chance?

Electricity isnt magically created by unicorns and rainbows

It has to be produced commercially and distributed to point of utilization

Simple fact of the matter is that wind/solar are many times more expensive than Nuclear. Hydro. Coal and others

[jpnh]

Originally Posted by AndreyATC

Wanna do math before you claim #1?
How much time you waste at gas station per year?

https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/21/ne...-world-record/

If it takes me less than 5 mins to fill my car and it takes you 40 mins.......

Its comical how Tesla advertises that "It can take as little as 20 minutes to half charge your battery"



I cant recall the last time I "Half filled" the tank on any vehicle I've owned

[Fundguy1]

I thought it was from unicorns. Youre not hooking up solar cells to charge them. The amount needed to power the us cars would be staggering. Windmills are expensive and unreliable like solar. Its going to come from the batteries being charged from an electrical connection to the grid. Just like you do at home.

[AndreyATC]

Originally Posted by jpnh

If it takes me less than 5 mins to fill my car and it takes you 40 mins.......

Its comical how Tesla advertises that "It can take as little as 20 minutes to half charge your battery"



I cant recall the last time I "Half filled" the tank on any vehicle I've owned

I guess it's very hard for you to look beyond the end of nose
You keep bringing up the same thing as the other guy
I do not spend 40min every time i charge
It takes no time throughout the year to charge for me
If i take few trips a year and spend few hours to charge, that's fine.
You spend 5-7min per week = 5 hours a year no matter what
Some people even more.
I can put 2000 mile of driving or more for this much time you send on gas stations

[jpnh]

Originally Posted by AndreyATC

I guess it's very hard for you to look beyond the end of nose
You keep bringing up the same thing as the other guy
I do not spend 40min every time i charge
It takes no time throughout the year to charge for me
If i take few trips a year and spend few hours to charge, that's fine.
You spend 5-7min per week = 5 hours a year no matter what
Some people even more.
I can put 2000 mile of driving or more for this much time you send on gas stations

Its your choice and I could care less what you choose to drive

the point of the entire thread is that EV isnt going to replace the M sports car any time on the forseeable future if ever

EV is not on par by any measurement with your run of the mill gas powered sports car.....even at 3 times the cost it still falls WAY short

[AndreyATC]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

I thought it was from unicorns. Youre not hooking up solar cells to charge them. The amount needed to power the us cars would be staggering. Windmills are expensive and unreliable like solar. Its going to come from the batteries being charged from an electrical connection to the grid. Just like you do at home.

You can fluctuate demand with batteries, you know that right?

https://cleantechnica.com/2016/12/24...er-elontweets/

[AndreyATC]

Originally Posted by jpnh

Its your choice and I could care less what you choose to drive

the point of the entire thread is that EV isnt going to replace the M sports car any time on the forseeable future if ever

EV is not on par by any measurement with your run of the mill gas powered sports car.....even at 3 times the cost it still falls WAY short

EVs are already outperforming ICEs
World record for the "Ring" and drag strip belongs to EVs, no?

And this is just the beginning...

[jpnh]

Originally Posted by AndreyATC

You can fluctuate demand with batteries, you know that right?

https://cleantechnica.com/2016/12/24...er-elontweets/

More vapor ware according to the article......what do you think the cost of MORE batteries will be and how many charge cycles will they last and how many unicorns....errrrr solar panels and how long will it take to recharge that battery?

[jpnh]

Originally Posted by AndreyATC

EVs are already outperforming ICEs
World record for the "Ring" and drag strip belongs to EVs, no?

And this is just the beginning...

How much did the car cost/did they spend to cut a couple seconds off a lap?

And how long did the car need to sit in order to recharge for a second lap.....or am I asking the wrong question

How long to half charge the battery?



I'm pretty sure that the gasser that holds the previous record could do a pile more laps without a need to recharge/refuel

So, its a neat little factoid until its put into context eh?

If you enjoy your car thats great......I just dont see why you feel a need to shove it down everyone elses throat and claims about vapor ware that doesnt exist and may never exist

I can buy 3 M2's for the price of the tesla with a comparable range

[AndreyATC]

Originally Posted by jpnh

More vapor ware according to the article......what do you think the cost of MORE batteries will be and how many charge cycles will they last and how many unicorns....errrrr solar panels and how long will it take to recharge that battery?

You can believe whatever you feel like.
I'm not the one who is going to educate on the matter
It works fine with solar, it works 100% for my house needs and i only installed 28 panels on my house. My car is roughly 30% of the monthly usage

[jpnh]

Originally Posted by AndreyATC

You can believe whatever you feel like.
I'm not the one who is going to educate on the matter
It works fine with solar, it works 100% for my house needs and i only installed 28 panels on my house. My car is roughly 30% of the monthly usage

Whether it CAN be made to work and whether its in use to any degree are two different things

This doesnt even take into consideration the cost

I laugh hysterically when a buddy of mine brags that his electric bill is zero every months......thats when I ask him how much the monthly payment on the solar panels are costing him and how many years until that loan is paid off........thats the moment I get the dirty look and he gets all butt hurt.....reality sucks eh?

[AndreyATC]

Originally Posted by jpnh

How much did the car cost/did they spend to cut a couple seconds off a lap?

And how long did the car need to sit in order to recharge for a second lap.....or am I asking the wrong question

How long to half charge the battery?



I'm pretty sure that the gasser that holds the previous record could do a pile more laps without a need to recharge/refuel

So, its a neat little factoid until its put into context eh?

If you enjoy your car thats great......I just dont see why you feel a need to shove it down everyone elses throat and claims about vapor ware that doesnt exist and may never exist

I can buy 3 M2's for the price of the tesla with a comparable range

Model 3 will cost 35K.
No, EV does not need to re-charge after 12-mile ring run, no matter how hard you push it

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by AndreyATC

Model 3 will cost 35K.
No, EV does not need to re-charge after 12-mile ring run, no matter how hard you push it

If they ever make it.

[jpnh]

Originally Posted by AndreyATC

Model 3 will cost 35K.
No, EV does not need to re-charge after 12-mile ring run, no matter how hard you push it

Model 3 doesnt exist yet

Its vapor ware.....

Its also got an announced/expected range of 215 miles

Its NOT a sports car......this whole thread revolves around feasibility of EV, Hybrid integration with M

How many laps can the boutique car you posted about do at that speed before it needs to be recharged and how long will it take to recharge?

[AndreyATC]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

If they ever make it.

It's funny how you always dismiss EV-favorable things
Did you see the video i posted above?
There is also Rimac, which is very capable EV

If older Tesla couldnt make it, doesnt mean much
It's very easy to improve cooling on EV motor