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BMW hopes to sell 100,000 electric cars in 2017

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BMW wants to boost sales of electric cars by two-thirds next year to 100,000 vehicles as the luxury automaker is offering more battery-powered models, Sueddeutsche Zeitung reported, citing Chief Executive Officer Harald Krueger.

Munich-based BMW expects to increase its deliveries of fully electric and hybrid vehicles to around 60,000 units this year, Krueger said in an interview published on Monday. Sales of battery-powered BMW models have totaled about 100,000 cars since 2013, he noted.

"Electric mobility will come, but demand is not going through the roof at the moment," the newspaper quoted Krueger as saying.

To help improve sales, BMW is also increasing the battery range of its i3 city vehicle by 50 percent this year. The i3, BMW's only fully battery-powered car, sold only 25,000 units last year.

The company, which has dropped behind Daimler's Mercedes-Benz in global luxury-car sales rankings, wants to expand the share of electric cars and hybrid models to between 15 percent and 25 percent of sales by 2025, the newspaper reported.

[M3 Adjuster]

Translation: There's a difference between talking the talk vs BMW walking the walk when it comes to production electric car volume.



The company, which has dropped behind Daimler's Mercedes-Benz in global luxury-car sales rankings, wants to expand the share of electric cars and hybrid models to between 15 percent and 25 percent of sales by 2025, the newspaper repor

BMW .. want to figure out how to pull back ahead of Daimler ? Go back to your roots ( think E30!)

Can you say, 2 series sedan ( and gran coupe !! ) ??

want another hot tip? Drop some edrive in those same 2 series sedan and gran coupe variants ?

[AtlantaDude]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Translation: Tesla talking the talk vs BMW walking the walk when it comes to electric car volume.

I'm not sure what you mean here. Tesla has sold 60,000 cars so far for FY16. Q4 looks to keep their trend of around 15-20k cars. Care to elaborate?

[firedown31]

Maybe the i3 would sell more if it wasn't a boxy turd.

[bailyhill]

One thing that would help the sales of EV's, if BMW sees that these cars will have the same kind of residual values as regular BMW's and prices the lease rates the same. With the slow sales of i3's and the low resale prices, I am not holding my breath. Perhaps the X5e, X3e, 3er e, etc will be that way.

Bailyhill

[The HACK]

BMW thinks like me.

I'd like to bag both ScarJo and JLaw in a three way. Alas a married, middle age, overweight and balding Asian guy has as good a shot at that as does BMW moving 100,000 electric vehicles by 2017.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bmw-se...140537095.html

There's some serious discrepancy going on here.

[evanevery]

Last I heard (Months ago), Tesla had PAID reservations for about 400,000 Model 3's. A car which doesn't even exist yet!

If BMW wants to compete in this space, they better start offering an EV that someone actually wants...

[SCOTT26]

Over the course of this year we have seen the 330e, X5e,225e become not only the best selling models in their respective segment. But also the best selling models within their range for certain markets. That is momentum we have to build upon. Also the China only cars are also proving popular and will be joined by a hybrid of the new 1er Sedan.
The new 740e is showing early promise as will the 530e expect to when launched next year.
The revised i3 is proving popular and then the i8 receives its revisions next year as well as the first X3 with eDrive.
Then we will have the first MINI with Plug-in Hybrid - The MINI Countryman SUV all coming next year. 100,000 units is very much a reachable projection.

[Cuz5150]

Originally Posted by evanevery

Last I heard (Months ago), Tesla had PAID reservations for about 400,000 Model 3's. A car which doesn't even exist yet!

If BMW wants to compete in this space, they better start offering an EV that someone actually wants...

^^^^this^^^^

Its simple, copy and paste. BMW builds something that looks like Model 3's (take the 2 series coupe, stretch the chassis add 2 more doors on the side, add a rear hatch) EV + bring it to the market before Tesla.

[The HACK]

Originally Posted by Cuz5150

^^^^this^^^^

Its simple, copy and paste. BMW builds something that looks like Model 3's (take the 2 series coupe, stretch the chassis add 2 more doors on the side, add a rear hatch) EV + bring it to the market before Tesla.

There's a fundamental problem with designing a electric car using a chassis made for internal combustion engine. A 2 series as you proposed will NEVER be able to produce more than 75-100 miles per charge due to the way the car is packaged.

Heck BMW can't even make it's fully electric, design and engineered from the ground up electric plug-in i3 last more than 80 miles on a single charge. In order for BMW to "compete" with Tesla they'll need to scrap the idea of using an existing chassis and swapping in an electric drive-train. Because Tesla will ALWAYS have higher capacity battery and/or weigh less than the BMW counterpart built on ICE chassis.

To pack in a set of battery capable of driving for 200+ miles on a 2 series chassis as you described, that "car" will probably weigh north of 4,500 lbs, have the chassis raised up another 3-5", and frankly, will drive like sh*t with 105mm wide tires to provide the least amount of rolling resistance to achieve said goal.

And cost around $80K for all the exotic material BMW will have to throw at it to make it weigh in at a scant 4,500 lbs.

Trust me when I say, BMW will not be able to compete in the pure electric plug-in market. Not in the next 5-10 years. They're already way behind the curve. The only manufacturers now close to catching up to Tesla are Chevy (Bolt) and Nissan (next gen Leaf). Both chassi designed from the ground up to accommodate a full plug-in electric ONLY, with range roughly equivalent to Tesla's (around 200-240 miles), costing in the same range, but both sorely lacks in style and performance to match.

[1230vani]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Over the course of this year we have seen the 330e, X5e,225e become not only the best selling models in their respective segment. But also the best selling models within their range for certain markets. That is momentum we have to build upon. Also the China only cars are also proving popular and will be joined by a hybrid of the new 1er Sedan.
The new 740e is showing early promise as will the 530e expect to when launched next year.
The revised i3 is proving popular and then the i8 receives its revisions next year as well as the first X3 with eDrive.
Then we will have the first MINI with Plug-in Hybrid - The MINI Countryman SUV all coming next year. 100,000 units is very much a reachable projection.

Thank you. Will the i3 get the newer idrive soon? It looks like it is the only vehicle (along with i8) that has an old system. With a new battery i3 also recieved mild changes but will there be an LCI version of the i3 soon?

[instalher]

If BMW wants to change the world with efficient and clean vehicles, they will never catch tesla or chevy, Hydrogen is way way to far off from being efficient, but Thorium is do able, cheap, abundant, and only Tata motors is currently messing around with this product... Batteries are not the answer, look at the mess the lead mines make, worse than the oil patch. google it!!! short range, heavy, not convenient, just way to many negatives, Thorium, zero issues, except the a greener planet...

[marry2211]

hope this is intended to be a reality, if it is so clean and beautiful school will more .

[Advevo]

I test drove an I3 and I8.

Not worth one penny from my side.

If someone wants one for there daily drive to work ok. But it gives me no fun in driving!

[snipe]

Originally Posted by Advevo

I test drove an I3 and I8.

Not worth one penny from my side.

If someone wants one for there daily drive to work ok. But it gives me no fun in driving!

What a total fail was our test drive in the i8, desperately trying to have fun with it.

However, I do like the i3. It's built as a city car, but it has more power than most other city cars. And this high tech lightweight car is way better than any Tesla.
Everybody is talking about the range of a Tesla, but they seem to forget it's totally pointless to build an 'environment friendly' car with the weight of the Titanic.

[The HACK]

From actually owning both an i3 AND a Fiat 500e, and driving it daily you quickly come to appreciate the longer range on the Tesla and Nissan.

There are countless times when I sat at a dealership and/or mall sipping latte for 30-45 minutes waiting for the car to charge up at ricockulous rates ($3.00 an hour? REALLY?) regardless of how well I planned my daily trips, just so I can get home.

Plug-in electrics are like women. Unless you live with one you won't actually KNOW what changes you'll have to make to accommodate. The bare minimum a pure EV will have to achieve in range will have to be over 120 miles for them to have true mass appeal.

[Viffermike]

I've said this before ... and dammit I'm gonna say it again and keep saying it until I'm Estoril Blue in the face:

Read the OP, then read SCOTT26 's post. This is a global target. Stop thinking, and posting, in terms of the U.S. only on posts like this. Fact is, from the i3 to e-train conventional models like the 225e, BMW electric cars are selling just fine pretty much everywhere else.

Understand this: The U.S. does not drive global car sales, nor does it drive global car trends. And it never really did!

[Chihuahua]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Over the course of this year we have seen the 330e, X5e,225e become not only the best selling models in their respective segment. But also the best selling models within their range for certain markets. That is momentum we have to build upon. Also the China only cars are also proving popular and will be joined by a hybrid of the new 1er Sedan.
The new 740e is showing early promise as will the 530e expect to when launched next year.
The revised i3 is proving popular and then the i8 receives its revisions next year as well as the first X3 with eDrive.
Then we will have the first MINI with Plug-in Hybrid - The MINI Countryman SUV all coming next year. 100,000 units is very much a reachable projection.

So essentially, more hybridization of the range. I think maybe using the term 'Electric Car' in the title was a bit misleading then. I'm going to guess that when people hear the term 'Electric Car', they envision a 100% electric car with no ICE. Perhaps a more appropriate title would have been:

"BMW Hopes to Sell 100,000 Hybrid and Electric Cars in 2017"

[MalibuBimmer]

Hey that's a coincidence. I'm hoping to win the lottery in 2017.

[8k4]

Why reinvent the wheel, throw electric power plants in platforms that sell, in other words, existing 3,5, x models

[antzcrashing]

The same year tesla model 3 comes out? Not happening

[matbl]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Over the course of this year we have seen the 330e, X5e,225e become not only the best selling models in their respective segment. But also the best selling models within their range for certain markets. That is momentum we have to build upon. Also the China only cars are also proving popular and will be joined by a hybrid of the new 1er Sedan.
The new 740e is showing early promise as will the 530e expect to when launched next year.
The revised i3 is proving popular and then the i8 receives its revisions next year as well as the first X3 with eDrive.
Then we will have the first MINI with Plug-in Hybrid - The MINI Countryman SUV all coming next year. 100,000 units is very much a reachable projection.

Sorry, but hybrids doesn't count as electric in many people's eyes. i3 REX is on the border line....
Start delivering a true electric vehicle (one that looks and works and has the size as one with an explosion engine) before it's too late.