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      04-30-2014, 07:32 PM   #221
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Im sure its not a hand out, but sure its a hand up from Bmw to Dinan. I'm not questioning what type of access is granted but i know almost for a fact bmw lets them in on things especially like the ecu coding!
No they don't. You are spreading false rumors.

Steve spends upwards of $600K/year on hacking software and six dedicated hacking personal.
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You could be right, there's no guarantee they're telling me the full story but I would think they would have had an N55 tune on the market long ago if BMW was helping them along.
Rd time you don't just say here have fun! or would you? I know i won't !
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      04-30-2014, 07:35 PM   #223
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6-7?
Oh wow, that's more than I would have guessed. But I hope you're right!
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      04-30-2014, 07:38 PM   #224
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No they don't. You are spreading false rumors.

Steve spends upwards of $600K/year on hacking software and six dedicated hacking personal.
Cool story bro, so cobb is spending big bucks also! price wise i don't know how much or care how much. but again I'm sure bmw is lending a hand to Dinan. I'm not spreading anything its called a opinion that I'm untitled to express right boss?
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      04-30-2014, 07:40 PM   #225
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We've recently learned from multiple inside sources (who have been accurate in the past) that the BMW M2 is a go!

The M2 start of production is said to be scheduled for late Fall 2015, which places the first deliveries at the very end of 2015 or early 2016.

Confirming what we reported earlier, we've been told that the M2 will be powered by the N55 turbo inline 6 engine (N55B30T0), producing around 370-380 PS (365-375 HP).

BMW M reportedly also considered a "S48" engine for the M2, presumably an inline four cylinder turbo derived from the (future) B48 engine family. For whatever reason, this engine did not make the cut and we know now that the N55 inline six engine will power the M2.

The code nickname for the M2 is "pyrat2." Why pyrat2? If you recall, the 1M coupe's nickname was "pyrat."

The model code for the M2 will be F87. We do not expect a limited production cycle as the 1M experienced.

Note: the image used on the homepage in connection with this news is a rendering only.
There are no inside resources. It's just what BMW wants ppl to know.
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Very exciting!

I'll say it, why not make this 400+ BHP and put the cost closer to the M3? It's quite annoying that more power has to equal massive car in the BMW lineup.

It's not as if M ownership is like regular BMW ownership. And the "cannibalise sales stuff" is kind of nonsense, because you either buy an M2 or an M3, either way it's money in the kitty, and if they're closer in price the profits will be similar, it's just more choice.

I'd be far more concerned about money going to Merc and Audi who are on par/ahead with power in their AMG/RS and ahead of the game with their 2nd in line S and AMG Sport models.

I wonder if it will be limited edition?

Why not 400hp? Well they don't just pull HP numbers out their asses. It has to match the car's many characteristics, weight balance, MPG targets, suspension components, brakes, class, chassis ... It's an M car. Not a Camaro.


EDIT: And BTW, when BMW rates it at 380hp, that usually means 380hp at the wheels, which in reality means closer to 400hp when you take out drive train loss. But alas, we're still talking about unconfirmed rumors, from "inside sources" at this point. Nothing set in stone.

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Pyrat2, huh? If it's true to the original reason for the 1M being given this name... this is going to be one mean little thing! Rob all you want from the M3/4 parts bin!!
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Cool story bro, so cobb is spending big bucks also! price wise i don't know how much or care how much. but again I'm sure bmw is lending a hand to Dinan. I'm not spreading anything its called a opinion that I'm untitled to express right boss?
You are the one spreading stories. Your opinion is way off base and incorrect.

No Cobb takes much much longer to crack BMW ecu and they lost their BMW guru Rob Irish last year. For instance the N54 ecu, they were much later to game than Dinan.

Once again. Fact Dinan does all their own in house hacking. They hire Cal Tech engineers. Steve has a softeware team of 6 individuals that literally spend their entire work day hacking ecu's. Steve say on average it takes them half a year to hack an ecu.

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Pyrat2, huh? If it's true to the original reason for the 1M being given this name... this is going to be one mean little thing! Rob all you want from the M3/4 parts bin!!


Damn straight.
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You are the one spreading stories. Your opinion is way off base and incorrect.

No Cobb takes much much longer to crack BMW ecu and they lost their BMW guru Rob Irish last year. For instance the N54 ecu, they were much later to game than Dinan.

Once again. Fact Dinan does all their own in house hacking. They hire Cal Tech engineers. Steve has a softeware team of 6 individuals that literally spend their entire work day hacking ecu's. Steve say on average it takes them half a year to hack an ecu.
You're told the moon is black, you see its white whats the truth?

You and i both have no clue on what goes on with them truly. So again i can say what i feel and i said it point blank!

I have a real good friend at Braman and he goes to Dinan a lot and he even said bmw is helping them. so again believe what you want and i said what i feel!
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The 'middle child' kind of placement you're referring to is right, but I also chose the 335is because IMO the I6 TT was much better and more fun than the crappy V8 in the M3.
Have you even owned an S65? I've had all three... N54, N55 and the S65. Don't want to start something here but you must be out of your mind to call the S65, "crappy".
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You're told the moon is black, you see its white whats the truth?

You and i both have no clue on what goes on with the truly. So again i can say what i feel and i said it point blank!

I have a real good friend at Braman and he goes to Dinan a lot and he even said bmw is helping them. so again believe what you want and i said what i feel!
deal?
I work in the industry. I know what I am talking about. Steve is a real good guy and a true enthusiasts. I believe what comes out of his mouth.
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I work in the industry. I know what I am talking about. Steve is a real good guy and a true enthusiasts. I believe what comes out of his mouth.
another great opinion of yours, one that i can agree with!
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another great opinion of yours, one that i can agree with!
BMW ecu's are becoming more and more difficult to crack. Take in point the S63 in the M5. Dinan has yet to crack that ecu, yes thanks to no help from BMW. You know what they are doing, they are going to release a piggyback for the M5. Evidence they do not get help from BMW to crack ecu's. The next gen M3/M4 will be even more encrypted/secure than the M5.
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Using the n55 may drive the cost down
You don't know bmw
Using the n55 means they will still charge an arm and a leg
But they'll have a higher profit margin
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Pyrat2, huh? If it's true to the original reason for the 1M being given this name... this is going to be one mean little thing! Rob all you want from the M3/4 parts bin!!
Pyrat...yea, the M division sits around after a hard day at work and sips on Pyrat Rum....yea, it's good. In the liquor store i run the Pyrat story has come up many times with my car enthusiast customers...Pyrat indeed !!!!!!!!!!!
That said the M2 will be amazing no matter what engine BMW decides to put in, i am down for this car. It's size is perfect...better than the 1 series. And yes i love the Cayman S as well as the Boxster spider....but as a owner and DD of a Mazda Miata getting back into a car that is so tiny will not happen for me. At 6ft4 i have a little room in the 1991 Miata, but there is NO room in either the Cayman or Boxter...less than the Miata..Yes they fit like a glove but that is what makes the M2 special for me...it's athletic and still has the room to stretch and not feel cramped like the Porsche...The Porsche is beautiful but at this stage for me i want some..room and have the option to put something in the back seat...M2 for me !!!!!!!!!!!
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BMW ecu's are becoming more and more difficult to crack. Take in point the S63 in the M5. Dinan has yet to crack that ecu, yes thanks to no help from BMW. You know what they are doing, they are going to release a piggyback for the M5. Evidence they do not get help from BMW to crack ecu's. The next gen M3/M4 will be even more encrypted/secure than the M5.
nothing is evident at all. you Rd what you've done before you release it anyway man. ok I'm done with this you won

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Too hbd this car will suffer from boxster-itis
Where the car is always limited in what it can do
It's always detuned here, softened here, made less sharp there
Just to make sure not to piss off the m3/m4 owners who paid more

So is BMW going to turn into another audi?
Where the same engine is used in various models, but with different tunes?

I love the users bummed it's using an n55 not an s55
Funny
I hope at least this time they spend a little more on the engine cover
Than the cheap shit looking "powered by M" sticker that was stuck on the 1m engine
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Is this going to be a limited release car like the 1M??
No its not, its been answered in the previous posts.
Sorry. It was the first thing that came to mind and I didn't feel like reading several pages of posts to find the answer...
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Too hbd this car will suffer from boxster-itis
Where the car is always limited in what it can do
It's always detuned here, softened here, made less sharp there
Just to make sure not to piss off the m3/m4 owners who paid more

So is BMW going to turn into another audi?
Where the same engine is used in various models, but with different tunes?

I love the users bummed it's using an n55 not an s55
Funny
I hope at least this time they spend a little more on the engine cover
Than the cheap shit looking "powered by M" sticker that was stuck on the 1m engine

MEH. the 1M is a waaaay more desirable car than the M3 of that time.......proof that tradition does not equate to the final product.

tradition only matters if you're stuck in the past...
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This car has big shoes to fill. 1M is a tough act to follow. Probably the last of the analog BMWs as the M2 is sure to have active sound, DCT, auto start stop and adaptive suspension
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