[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by W///

I don't know what's realistic about it at all. I've person threw a small (I'd say almost unrealistic) number out. I wouldn't take that seriously at all considering it was said the M4 was going to weigh 3300 lbs

Given where the car needs to be from a price point perspective (somewhere between 50-55k to start), I can't see how BMW can make drastic changes AND stay in that price range.

If the 235 is 3505 pounds in US spec with a MT, then you hope for a combination of less options and creative weight savings to get you around 3400 - which I think is realistic but not likely.

When you add heavier things like an LSD, DCT transmission, bigger wheels, brakes, and tires...well those things are heavier, so BMW will have to get creative. Like someone said before, ala M4. Problem is that they can't do as much of that because of the price point issue.

It will be interesting for sure.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Chack

Since the engine code is different - and the horsepower is rumored to be only slightly higher than the M235i application - I would like to believe the higher horsepower is achieved by a +8K redline (coupled with ultra low friction high rpm turbo(s))

This, to me, could be the M2's main attraction. Lower BHP than the M4, slower in a straight line, but smaller, more nimble, and carrying a screaming fucking engine. Oh, the thought...

Instead...we will get a slightly massaged N55 and have to hope that the suspension is where the car really shines. Missed opportunity in my opinion for sure.

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

This, to me, could be the M2's main attraction. Lower BHP than the M4, slower in a straight line, but smaller, more nimble, and carrying a screaming fucking engine. Oh, the thought...

Instead...we will get a slightly massaged N55 and have to hope that the suspension is where the car really shines. Missed opportunity in my opinion for sure.

What ever it revs too won't make a difference , it will make peak power at 5k and do nothing after that . Can't change the N55 architecture that much . The S55 did well to get another useful 1k rpm .

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

What ever it revs too won't make a difference , it will make peak power at 5k and do nothing after that . Can't change the N55 architecture that much . The S55 did well to get another useful 1k rpm .

Sobbing....

Lol...I'm sure you're right. A man can dream though.

[W///]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Given where the car needs to be from a price point perspective (somewhere between 50-55k to start), I can't see how BMW can make drastic changes AND stay in that price range.

If the 235 is 3505 pounds in US spec with a MT, then you hope for a combination of less options and creative weight savings to get you around 3400 - which I think is realistic but not likely.

When you add heavier things like an LSD, DCT transmission, bigger wheels, brakes, and tires...well those things are heavier, so BMW will have to get creative. Like someone said before, ala M4. Problem is that they can't do as much of that because of the price point issue.

It will be interesting for sure.

I'd rather be cautious and then being correct at the end, rather than being a wrong optimist.

Here's my take: If the M2 is literally just an M235i with an M3/4 driveline paired with just a regular N55, mean looking exterior, and a bespoke seat (whatever the hell that means), that would be good enough for me. Does it potential to be more (aka 3000 lbs car with S55 ), sure.

I think it's all about expectations. If the M2 turns out to be "just" an M235i on steroids with M3/4 driveline, that's OK by me (depending on the price of course). Anything else, such as 3300 lbs, CF roof, cloth seats ect... would be a bonus for me. Although a very greatly appreciated bonus.

[BMW F22]

Originally Posted by M Car Chris

Is the 2 series really faster than its bigger brothers though? What's this mean, 220d to 320d, 228i to 328/428i etc?

The M235 is faster than the 335i and 435i. And I'm pretty sure the 228i is faster than the 328i and the 428i. The 2 also handles better too. The 3 has dropped from the top 10 list and the 428 isn't even on there. Yet both the 3 and 4 outsell the 2 like crazy. That tells me most people don't care much about performance. They want to buy into the BMW brand and don't care (or know) how it's supposed to perform. I think that while the M2 will be a good car (and not limited production), its sale might not be as high as the M3/M4. Of course, pricing will be a big factor in this.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Given where the car needs to be from a price point perspective (somewhere between 50-55k to start), I can't see how BMW can make drastic changes AND stay in that price range.

If the 235 is 3505 pounds in US spec with a MT, then you hope for a combination of less options and creative weight savings to get you around 3400 - which I think is realistic but not likely.

When you add heavier things like an LSD, DCT transmission, bigger wheels, brakes, and tires...well those things are heavier, so BMW will have to get creative. Like someone said before, ala M4. Problem is that they can't do as much of that because of the price point issue.

It will be interesting for sure.

no way the M2 will be less than 3400 lbs....it will probably be closer 3500 lbs or at the very least 3450 lbs. With things like DCT it will be even heavier.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

no way the M2 will be less than 3400 lbs....it will probably be closer 3500 lbs or at the very least 3450 lbs. With things like DCT it will be even heavier.

Right. That's what I said. Lol..

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by W///

I'd rather be cautious and then being correct at the end, rather than being a wrong optimist.

Here's my take: If the M2 is literally just an M235i with an M3/4 driveline paired with just a regular N55, mean looking exterior, and a bespoke seat (whatever the hell that means), that would be good enough for me. Does it potential to be more (aka 3000 lbs car with S55 ), sure.

I think it's all about expectations. If the M2 turns out to be "just" an M235i on steroids with M3/4 driveline, that's OK by me (depending on the price of course). Anything else, such as 3300 lbs, CF roof, cloth seats ect... would be a bonus for me. Although a very greatly appreciated bonus.

Given my experience with they 235, I am not sure such a composition would be sufficient for me to get it. We will see - I would rather plan for the worst and hope for the best.

I am already looking at other options, but I have the benefit of a better timeline for my next car. No more purchasing sight or drive unseen.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by BMW F22

The M235 is faster than the 335i and 435i. And I'm pretty sure the 228i is faster than the 328i and the 428i. The 2 also handles better too. The 3 has dropped from the top 10 list and the 428 isn't even on there. Yet both the 3 and 4 outsell the 2 like crazy. That tells me most people don't care much about performance. They want to buy into the BMW brand and don't care (or know) how it's supposed to perform. I think that while the M2 will be a good car (and not limited production), its sale might not be as high as the M3/M4. Of course, pricing will be a big factor in this.

I think it is important that we frame comments like faster than X or Y - do you mean 0-60 ? 1/4 mile ? If so, respectfully, I have never found those measurements to be the best measure of real world speed or quickness - a 40-80 or 50-100 pull is, to me anyway, a much better indication of how "fast" a car is.

I am rarely in a situation where I'm at a light with a 335 on one side and a 435 on the other, and we can give the beans from a dead stop without having to worry about Johnny Law. but I'm sure that would be fun if it could ever happen.

[W///]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

no way the M2 will be less than 3400 lbs....it will probably be closer 3500 lbs or at the very least 3450 lbs. With things like DCT it will be even heavier.

If I order one, it'll be with 6MT and metallic paint. We'll see if the heated seats are included. Knowing myself too well, a drop (doesn't affect weight), wheels (maybe), exhaust (definitely will affect weight) will probably get changed within the first year.

I'd be really curious to see how light a car like that would be. I'd hope sub 3400 lbs is possible.

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Given my experience with they 235, I am not sure such a composition would be sufficient for me to get it. We will see - I would rather plan for the worst and hope for the best.

I am already looking at other options, but I have the benefit of a better timeline for my next car. No more purchasing sight or drive unseen.

Yea I definitely wouldn't do another purchase without a drive first

[bim2er]

Originally Posted by ///Megalomaniac

I was at Nürburgring Driving Experience in October and my Instructor said 386PS aswell, so I'm really positive that this is the correct number.

Looks like that converts to 380 for the US

[SmallTownBoy]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Instead...we will get a slightly massaged N55 and have to hope that the suspension is where the car really shines. Missed opportunity in my opinion for sure.

It's enough to make a man stick with the ///M235i, eh?

[RingMeister01]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

no way the M2 will be less than 3400 lbs....it will probably be closer 3500 lbs or at the very least 3450 lbs. With things like DCT it will be even heavier.

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[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by SmallTownBoy

It's enough to make a man stick with the ///M235i, eh?

Lol touché.

Maybe I need a change of pace, eh ? Boxster or Cockster.

[SmallTownBoy]

Hehehe.

I've said many times, if your vehicle is to be a sign of virility, then there's nothing better than an extended minivan chock full of your spawn.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by SmallTownBoy

Hehehe.

I've said many times, if your vehicle is to be a sign of virility, then there's nothing better than an extended minivan chock full of your spawn.

I am dying here - that's great.

In all honesty, I just don't want to be bored. I had high hopes for the 235. It just didn't hit the mark for me. Hoping for that to change with the M2.

[SmallTownBoy]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I am dying here - that's great.

In all honesty, I just don't want to be bored. I had high hopes for the 235. It just didn't hit the mark for me. Hoping for that to change with the M2.

You've made that clear many times. Hope you find what you're after!

I too bought the car sight unseen. No regrets.

[supremepower]

Hmm.... Production begins November according to the other post. So does that mean we'll see the cars December early January 2016?

[HarmOG]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

In all honesty, I just don't want to be bored. I had high hopes for the 235. It just didn't hit the mark for me. Hoping for that to change with the M2.

Serious question - If the 235 didn't hit the mark, is there anything else out there that would? After doing extensive research and test drives, I didn't see anything else even remotely close for the price. I've never driven and M car, Porsche or anything of the like, but for mid-$40s, it seems pretty awesome to me.

[BMW F22]

Originally Posted by supremepower

Hmm.... Production begins November according to the other post. So does that mean we'll see the cars December early January 2016?

Probably some time in February of 2016.

[PackPride85]

Gonna be kind of sucky to have to have winter tires on it if doing ED right away but I suppose I'll get over it.