[KesS1000rr]

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[HandsomeDevil]

Originally Posted by KesS1000rr

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Hey I read the update - congrats on figuring it out even if it did end up costing you some money, I bet you're happy to have it all behind you.

How much did the new engine go for and what was the labor involved in installing it? (If you don't mind me asking).

Enjoy the car

[Cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by KesS1000rr

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Sucks to hear that you money shifted, but glad you took the advice and got it sorted out.

Everybody f#cks up sometimes. I tore a Corvette in half once, so you know - there could be worse outcomes.

You should turn your old engine block into a fancy coffee table. Don't consider it a lost engine, just a classy furniture upgrade.

[Legal Bill]

Originally Posted by pjohns21

You cannot slanderously use someone's driving habits against them for a warranty repair. There is no proof that the car itself didn't over-rev given the amount of BS and worthless engineering the Germans throw into these vehicles, which is ultimately the reason for their failures. Hell will freeze over before I lease an Ultimate Driving Machine and be told an engine failure was the result of my driving habits. This is 2016, not the '70s. Get it together. I melted my transfer box stuck in 16 inches of snow in an alley during the dead of winter. The transfer box did not fail because I had my foot on the accelerator for 4 hours straight. It failed because the fail-safes on the car did not activate and put the car into limp mode to prevent overheating. Also, BMW still continues to make parts of the xDrive system out of plastic because they are cheap. They knew better than to ever, EVER suggest that it was because of my driving that I could not get out of the snow in my AWD f30. I bought xDrive for a reason, and they knew they wouldn't have my business if I was charged even a cent. No one drives these vehicles to be light footed.

I would have denied your claim.

[DS_BMW]

How much over rev did it record? How many RPM's? Did they show you the information?

[pjohns21]

Originally Posted by KesS1000rr

UPDATE: ...

You could always try to sell the motor back to BMW to use for "research." I really hope you buy another brand of vehicle next time. BMW NA has some real winners in NJ working for them.

[Cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by pjohns21

You could always try to sell the motor back to BMW to use for "research." I really hope you buy another brand of vehicle next time. BMW NA has some real winners in NJ working for them.

Why would you buy another brand of vehicle? A missed shift is a missed shift. You can attribute it to a poor shifter design, but most people drive these cars without issues so that's a tough card to play.

That would be like saying "Don't buy a BMW because I did a burnout so long the tires popped".

[raleedy]

Originally Posted by BMW GENIUS

In case you do need a new engine I found this for you! Only 100 miles on the engine!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2015-BMW-M23...tV8FMS&vxp=mtr

How does that even happen? A used engine with 100 miles?

[BMW GENIUS]

Originally Posted by raleedy

How does that even happen? A used engine with 100 miles?

I'm thinking an engine swap possibly? Or a super unfortunate accident for someone.

[alexc93]

So what happens now with the current warranty that came with the car? Will it still be honored with the new engine? or are you completely out of a warranty now

[pjohns21]

Originally Posted by Cyberdemon

Why would you buy another brand of vehicle? A missed shift is a missed shift. You can attribute it to a poor shifter design, but most people drive these cars without issues so that's a tough card to play.

That would be like saying "Don't buy a BMW because I did a burnout so long the tires popped".

There are some major inconsistencies with maintenance and repair work among dealerships and BMW NA. BMW NA lets the dealers do what they want as they are able to spin this or that in their favor for covered or non covered repairs depending on which way the wind is blowing that day. This is especially true for the dealerships that are cash cows for the company. They also make a hell of a lot more money when they charge the customer outright versus the rate BMW reimburses them for repair work in both parts and labor. This dude did the best thing by not giving a dealership or BMW NA anymore of his money. I guess I have a different perspective driving an automatic- expecting the car to shift at redline every time, cutting off the fuel before the engine over-revs, or denying my request for an upshift or downshift when it's not appropriate.

[HandsomeDevil]

I sure hope OP comes back, lots of follow up questions to answer here!

[MrBucket]

Originally Posted by pjohns21

There are some major inconsistencies with maintenance and repair work among dealerships and BMW NA. BMW NA lets the dealers do what they want as they are able to spin this or that in their favor for covered or non covered repairs depending on which way the wind is blowing that day. This is especially true for the dealerships that are cash cows for the company. They also make a hell of a lot more money when they charge the customer outright versus the rate BMW reimburses them for repair work in both parts and labor. This dude did the best thing by not giving a dealership or BMW NA anymore of his money. I guess I have a different perspective driving an automatic- expecting the car to shift at redline every time, cutting off the fuel before the engine over-revs, or denying my request for an upshift or downshift when it's not appropriate.

You can bounce it off the rev limiter all you want with a manual and it wont over rev it. What he did was money shift it, 100% his fault and 100% shouldn't be covered unless the dealership just feels like doing it out of the good of their heart.

[pjohns21]

Originally Posted by pjohns21

You could always try to sell the motor back to BMW to use for "research." I really hope you buy another brand of vehicle next time. BMW NA has some real winners in NJ working for them.

Here is a fine example of how one customer's issues were dismissed by BMW NA as not covered under warranty (its best to start at the bottom with the first message on 9/18):

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B47...ew?usp=sharing

This is absolutely disgraceful. How can this be legal? I guess they think he can afford the repairs since he can afford a M6? As I wrote- real winners up there in NJ at BMW NA.

[pjohns21]

Originally Posted by MrBucket

You can bounce it off the rev limiter all you want with a manual and it wont over rev it. What he did was money shift it, 100% his fault and 100% shouldn't be covered unless the dealership just feels like doing it out of the good of their heart.

I wouldn't say for the good in their hearts, I would say that it's in their interest to fluff the details (as they absolutely do at times) to get reimbursed by BMW for the repairs AND to retain this customer's loyalty to the dealer and the brand. Nothing is in the dealer's favor in these situations so I don't understand why they are so inconsistently brash at times.

[KesS1000rr]

I will try to respond to all the questions that were asked.

The engine cost me around 6k. It came from a 2015 M235i that was hit on the rear left side and had about 81 miles on the clock. Cost me 20 hrs at $109 to put the motor in plus $100 for fluids.

As far as responsibility goes, like many members on here said, I was was at fault. Driver error isn't covered under warranty. You can only try and hope BMWNA will cover the repairs, but they're not responsible. This engine hasn't won numerous awards for no reason, its pretty reliable and can last beyond 100k miles. It didn't fail on its own, so I can't hold BMWNA responsible or be angry at them for not replacing my engine under warranty...although I hoped they would.

As far as the dealership situation goes, my car got towed to BMW of Springfield, Address: 391-399 Rt 22 E, Springfield, NJ 07081. The Service Consultant I dealt with was William DaSilva. He was extremely arrogant, rude, and never returned any of my phone calls. I actually had to show up to the dealership to find out my car wouldn't be covered under warranty. The attitude he had was that I basically had to pay to get my vehicle repaired or I had to remove my vehicle from their premises...even though I was in communication with BMWNA. His manager was of no help, either. I understand I was at fault for the damage caused to my engine, but their attitudes were just disgusting.

From what I was told, I'm out of an engine warranty but all other warranties are still on my car.

DME caught the engine at 8674.5 revolutions per minute.

[Dylan86]

Glad you sorted it out man. I had a spun rod bearing on my '12 GTI due to a well known oiling issue in the 2.0l. VW denied any powertrain warranty due to the ECU being tuned. My ignorance and excitement for being tuned so early into ownership (15k kms, first year), cost me about $5k which at the time was very cheap. Even though they knew it wasn't related at all to the tune, the implementation they use to flag your vehicle bricked me from any support from VW Canada, So I feel for you. I'm all about tuning boxes now, while under warranty, and ECU tuning when out of warranty, if worried about large expenses like catastrophic failures.

Will the shop split the head and block on the old motor and take some pics ? That'd be awesome

D

[olehead]

Does the bmw not have a rev limiter on manual transmissions - I know a friend who was at the track and made the mistake of 3 to 2 on his Mustang and the car sputtered and basically shut down - I guess it has to do with the response time of the limiter but I cannot believe a car like BMW would not have that built it with a margin for error - hell they over engineer everything else.

[scrape1]

Originally Posted by olehead

Does the bmw not have a rev limiter on manual transmissions - I know a friend who was at the track and made the mistake of 3 to 2 on his Mustang and the car sputtered and basically shut down - I guess it has to do with the response time of the limiter but I cannot believe a car like BMW would not have that built it with a margin for error - hell they over engineer everything else.

I think OP's car also sputtered and shut down.

[pz619]

Originally Posted by olehead

Does the bmw not have a rev limiter on manual transmissions - I know a friend who was at the track and made the mistake of 3 to 2 on his Mustang and the car sputtered and basically shut down - I guess it has to do with the response time of the limiter but I cannot believe a car like BMW would not have that built it with a margin for error - hell they over engineer everything else.

They do, but it does nothing against a money shift. A 3 to 2 shift would still force the motor to overrev even with a fuel cutoff once the clutch engages with the flywheel.

[olehead]

OK but the Mustang suffered no damage as the Rev Limiter prevented that - just curious

[scrape1]

Originally Posted by olehead

OK but the Mustang suffered no damage as the Rev Limiter prevented that - just curious

Unless somebody comes up with a rev limiter that can defeat physics, there is no way to instantaneously slow that car enough to prevent the engine from turning too fast when too low of a gear is selected and the clutch is engaged.

Perhaps your friend did not actually overrev with his errant gear change. Or overrev enough to cause damage. Or perhaps he is confused about what happened. But rest assured a Mustang can be money shifted as well as any other car.