New B series engines

Bluemw · 02-19-2015, 06:35 AM

Hi,

I'm thinking about a new M235i but i would rather wait until the new engine is fitted.I understand that this new B series engine will go into the new M135i from March this year .My question is does anyone know when that engine will go into production for the M235i ?

Thanks in advance.....James

scottomfg · 02-19-2015, 07:03 AM

I can't seem to find the source to link to right now, but I believe it has been posted from a reliable source that the 2016 M235i, which begins production in July, will not have the new B engine.

UPDATE: Here it is http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1008378

Quote:

F22 LCI SOP 07/16, EOP 10/20. Re-engine with B46B20O0 for 228i and B58B30M0 for M235i.

UPDATE #2: More official source: http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1082153 Specifies that 2016 model will be 235, not 240.

Bluemw · 02-19-2015, 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottomfg

I can't seem to find the source to link to right now, but I believe it has been posted from a reliable source that the 2016 M235i, which begins production in July, will not have the new B engine.

UPDATE: Here it is http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1008378

UPDATE #2: More official source: http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1082153 Specifies that 2016 model will be 235, not 240.

If that is correct, it does not make sense that the new engine production line for the B series engine will only supply the M135i and not the M235i ?

You would think that once the new line is up and running,it will supply both cars ?

James..

scottomfg · 02-19-2015, 07:42 AM

Well, I'm not sure where "making sense" comes into the picture anywhere when figuring this stuff out. BMW certainly has their reasons for doing what they are doing, whether you agree with them or not is up to you.

I imagine that there are several reasons for bringing the new engines into different models at different times. The most obvious being that when producing and implementing a new engine, you want to phase it in bit by bit rather than just dump it into everything and hope for the best. This would allow them to streamline production and work out a few small issues before going full-blown. Also, 2 series is fresher than 1 series at the moment, so it would explain why 1 series gets it first. I believe those charts also show the 3 gets it before the 4, likely for similar reasons.

Killramos · 02-19-2015, 07:51 AM

I cant wait until this comes out just to spend my time reading the new generation of the N54 vs N55 debate.

"Yea the B58 makes more power and torque and weighs less and uses less fuel and doesn't break as often but it just cant compare to the feel and the pull of the N55, I am going to stick with my 2014-2015 N55 Based M235i forever until BMW comes to its senses and puts the N55 back in the car"

-Sincerely, someone who has never owned either engine

lol

Lucky13 · 02-19-2015, 10:01 AM

Sometimes they wait until the mid life update of a vehicle to make an engine change so 2017 model would make more sense. I would think definitely after the M2 is launched because why would you be out trying to sell everyone on the merits of the more powerful 340 hp engine at the same time the same engine is going into the M2 ( with slightly more power). I would think they would want to separate those launches by a year. Look at Mini, some have the old engines like the Countryman while the new models have the new engines. The Countryman could use the new engine more than anything due to the size of the vehicle. The bigger question is what will the hp actually be, the 340 3 series is rumored to have 320 hp so BMW would have a strange situation with a M235 having the same power. Guess we will know when they release the specs of the new X4 4.0 later this spring, I think it launches this fall. It's an M Performance model and will go against the Macan model that has 340 hp.

hyperzulu · 02-19-2015, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killramos

I cant wait until this comes out just to spend my time reading the new generation of the N54 vs N55 debate.

"Yea the B58 makes more power and torque and weighs less and uses less fuel and doesn't break as often but it just cant compare to the feel and the pull of the N55, I am going to stick with my 2014-2015 N55 Based M235i forever until BMW comes to its senses and puts the N55 back in the car"

-Sincerely, someone who has never owned either engine

lol

hahaha

I've owned both the N54 and the N55 engines. There are reasons for wanting the N54 over the N55, but it has nothing to do with any of those things mentioned above.

I don't know why anyone would wait for the B series engines, when the N55 is such an excellent engine.

mike@x-ph.com · 02-19-2015, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killramos

I cant wait until this comes out just to spend my time reading the new generation of the N54 vs N55 debate.

"Yea the B58 makes more power and torque and weighs less and uses less fuel and doesn't break as often but it just cant compare to the feel and the pull of the N55, I am going to stick with my 2014-2015 N55 Based M235i forever until BMW comes to its senses and puts the N55 back in the car"

-Sincerely, someone who has never owned either engine

lol

LOL

doublevanosrc · 02-19-2015, 12:08 PM

The B58 has some large shoes to fill(or say engine bay), the N55 is almost perfect. Aside from a power bump and an increase in mpgs I don't see how it could really be much better.

scrape1 · 02-19-2015, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by doublevanosrc

The B58 has some large shoes to fill(or say engine bay), the N55 is almost perfect. Aside from a power bump and an increase in mpgs I don't see how it could really be much better.

I'd like it to sounds like the S54.

doublevanosrc · 02-19-2015, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by scrape1

I'd like it to sounds like the S54.

That would be very nice.

Monoblock · 02-19-2015, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bluemw

Hi,

I'm thinking about a new M235i but i would rather wait until the new engine is fitted

1st year for a new engine... I think I'd pass on that.

BMW335iOn18s · 02-19-2015, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monoblock

1st year for a new engine... I think I'd pass on that.

Technically 2nd year. The 340i will have it beginning later this year.

midwest 340xi 6sp · 02-19-2015, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scrape1

I'd like it to sounds like the S54.

Really? not me...

I owned E46 M3 and while its my favorite of all time, I (and many others) did not like the raspy sound of that vehicle.

Now the S65? That was pure porn (especially at high rev and cold start-up). I miss that motor even with its lack of torque.

Love me the N55 btw - smooth as buttah and I like its tenor with the M Performance Exhaust too.

scrape1 · 02-20-2015, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midwest M235i

Really? not me...

I owned E46 M3 and while its my favorite of all time, I (and many others) did not like the raspy sound of that vehicle.

Now the S65? That was pure porn (especially at high rev and cold start-up). I miss that motor even with its lack of torque.

Love me the N55 btw - smooth as buttah and I like its tenor with the M Performance Exhaust too.

Well, I can't ask them to make it sound like a V8. That would be practically unreasonable.

den525 · 02-20-2015, 10:24 AM

This "b" series engine... I thought the new facelift M135i will have the same power output as the M235i...

gaijin · 02-20-2015, 10:40 AM

Interesting article on the M135i hatch model.

https://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motora...160026121.html

kindofblue · 02-06-2016, 05:51 PM

Hi all,
I've been planning on ordering a 2017 228i ragtop via an ED in Sept. And I've just heard about there being a change in the engine for 2017 to a B46B20O0 engine.

I've not owned a BMW car before and am trying to understand the differences between the motor in the current 2016 228i and I've not had any success in researching this. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

raleedy · 02-11-2016, 02:49 PM

The new engine has a little more power and a little more efficiency (economy and emissions). It's not a big change. The new motor is fitted in the current 2016 MY 3-series cars in Europe, so you can read about it in reviews of the 2016 330i in Europe. The current motor is excellent. Also, as noted elsewhere, the free maintenance that the first owner gets is reduced beginning with 2017 model year from 4 years and 50,000 miles to 3 years and 36,000 miles.

kindofblue · 02-11-2016, 03:02 PM

Thanks. That's most helpful. Yes, I'd already read about the reduced service period. That's not a big deal for me as none of my cars over the years have had any included maintenance.

I will not put it on my research list to learn about the new motor.

Quote:

Originally Posted by raleedy

The new engine has a little more power and a little more efficiency (economy and emissions). It's not a big change. The new motor is fitted in the current 2016 MY 3-series cars in Europe, so you can read about it in reviews of the 2016 330i in Europe. The current motor is excellent. Also, as noted elsewhere, the free maintenance that the first owner gets is reduced beginning with 2017 model year from 4 years and 50,000 miles to 3 years and 36,000 miles.

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Lucky13 Lucky13 211 Rep 1,762 Posts Drives: 2014 M235 manual, 2020 X3 30X Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Columbia, S.C. iTrader: (0)	Sometimes they wait until the mid life update of a vehicle to make an engine change so 2017 model would make more sense. I would think definitely after the M2 is launched because why would you be out trying to sell everyone on the merits of the more powerful 340 hp engine at the same time the same engine is going into the M2 ( with slightly more power). I would think they would want to separate those launches by a year. Look at Mini, some have the old engines like the Countryman while the new models have the new engines. The Countryman could use the new engine more than anything due to the size of the vehicle. The bigger question is what will the hp actually be, the 340 3 series is rumored to have 320 hp so BMW would have a strange situation with a M235 having the same power. Guess we will know when they release the specs of the new X4 4.0 later this spring, I think it launches this fall. It's an M Performance model and will go against the Macan model that has 340 hp. __________________ 1995 325i, 1996 328ci, 1997 528i, 1997 Z3 2.8, 2000 528i, 2001 X5 3.0, 2001 330i Convertible, 2002 M3 Convertible, 2003 M3 Coupe, 2004 M3 Coupe, 2004 Z4 3.0, 2004 X3 3.0, 2007 X3 3.0, 2007 335i Convertible, 2013 X1 28 sdrive, 2014 M235 manual, 2020 X3 30i Xdrive Last edited by Lucky13; 02-19-2015 at 10:06 AM..
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raleedy Colonel 160 Rep 2,248 Posts Drives: 2016 228i 6-speed Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Portland, Oregon iTrader: (0)	The new engine has a little more power and a little more efficiency (economy and emissions). It's not a big change. The new motor is fitted in the current 2016 MY 3-series cars in Europe, so you can read about it in reviews of the 2016 330i in Europe. The current motor is excellent. Also, as noted elsewhere, the free maintenance that the first owner gets is reduced beginning with 2017 model year from 4 years and 50,000 miles to 3 years and 36,000 miles.
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