[Boss330]

Originally Posted by YOLO89

Now if only we could purchase this racing kit...

Originally Posted by Aspe

Together with the car you can.
(60.000 EUR without VAT for the current model)

Originally Posted by //M235ixD

Love the wide body

There is a better looking and street friendly wide body kit on the market allready. You don't even have to relocate the fuel filler cap like you need to on the M235i Racing

The Manhart M235i Wide Body kit:

http://www.shop.manhart-performance....T-Widebody-Kit

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1064049

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1057297





And a cheaper "knock off" of the Manhart kit:

http://www.magnatuning.ro/en/product...-Wide-Body-Kit

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by fuddman

For one simple reason- they want to keep an idea from being prematurely released. They hide stuff, and they like to unlock surprises on their schedule.

Did you read anything else I said?

Originally Posted by fuddman

So, if you wanted to test a wing for an M2 and you wanted keep that close to the vest, would you stick it on a production ready M2 mule and run that mule around the Ring? I hope you say no. That picture would be everywhere on the net instantly. And they know that.

I'd test it on a closed course. Or I'd test it on a platform that is closer to a production M2, not a race car. That's my main point: the M235i Racing with racing slicks and race aero is not going to provide any useful test data for the M2.

Originally Posted by fuddman

I'm not saying that's whats going on here. But, they're clever and devious when it comes to disguising their intentions. So, pictures like these should be examined through that prism, too. That's the way I look at it, anyway.

I don't disagree with this, but what you're suggesting is absurd. There are two possibilities:

A) BMW are testing updates to the M235i Racing.

B) BMW are testing CSL/GTS parts on a car with a full cage, racing slicks, racing widebody, and racing aero.

The latter suggestion is tinfoil hat territory. The M235i Racing will respond entirely differently to that wing than an M2 will. The information gleaned will be about as useful as data from the M4 GTS.

[jofealvi]

For any interested in purchase the car here is the link

http://www.bmw-motorsport.com/en/cars/bmw-m235ir.html

and here is the contact.


Contact


Email: M235i-Racing@bmw-motorsport.com

[competition]

Originally Posted by dfwmods

Not everyone knows how to drive a manual

I would hope professional racing drivers would know how to drive manual...

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by handled

I'm surprised they use an auto transmission

My mind was a little blown by this when the M235iR first hit the front page. In this racing application, I can understand it though. Race cars are built to their intended purpose. Look at the difference between something like a DTM car and a GTLM car. The M235iR is built for the purpose of cup racing; where it will only compete against other identical cars.

So really, the only question is, can the ZF8 stand up to the abuse? Apparently, it can. ZF makes a hell of a product. In terms of performance, it's right up there with DCT, and this application shows that it can handle heavy abuse as well.

When the M235iR showed up with the ZF8, I was really worried that the M2 would have a ZF8 as well. When the X5 M and X6 M showed up with a ZF8, I thought for sure that's what would be in the M2 as well. Fortunately, it looks like those suspicions were wrong. The leaked options lists specify DCT. Dodged that bullet!

[fuddman]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

BMW [would not test an M2 CSL/GTS wing] on a car with a full cage, racing slicks, racing widebody, and racing aero.

You're saying they wouldn't test an M2 wing on a car with a full cage? Why wouldn't they? What's the cage got to do with a wing?
You're saying they wouldn't test an M2 wing on a car with racing slicks? Why wouldn't they? Whats the tires got to do with the wing?
You suggest the wing is only good for a car that has that racing widebody and that racing aero. Maybe. But, the M2 has a very similar widebody.
I don't find your logic all that compelling, so we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[Enzomnia]

Originally Posted by fuddman

You're saying they wouldn't test an M2 wing on a car with a full cage? Why wouldn't they? What's the cage got to do with a wing?
You're saying they wouldn't test an M2 wing on a car with racing slicks? Why wouldn't they? Whats the tires got to do with the wing?
You suggest the wing is only good for a car that has that racing widebody and that racing aero. Maybe. But, the M2 has a very similar widebody.
I don't find your logic all that compelling, so we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Did you read everything he posted? A car with a gutted interior and roll cage will weigh differently and handle differently than a normal street car. That with racing slicks will make this respond totally different to that wing. So if the intended purpose was to test the wing for a future M2 CSL/GTS, the data they collected would be useless.

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by Enzomnia

Did you read everything he posted? A car with a gutted interior and roll cage will weigh differently and handle differently than a normal street car. That with racing slicks will make this respond totally different to that wing. So if the intended purpose was to test the wing for a future M2 CSL/GTS, the data they collected would be useless.

Precisely. Thank you!

[Phiberoptik]

I want that body kit!!!!!!!

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by fuddman

You're saying they wouldn't test an M2 wing on a car with a full cage? Why wouldn't they? What's the cage got to do with a wing?
You're saying they wouldn't test an M2 wing on a car with racing slicks? Why wouldn't they? Whats the tires got to do with the wing?

You're misinterpreting what I'm saying and ignoring the parts of my post that provide an answer to all of these questions.

Testing a wing intended for the M2 on a car with a full cage, slicks, and race aero will not tell you anything meaningful about how the wing will perform on an M2. So why would BMW do that?

Originally Posted by fuddman

You suggest the wing is only good for a car that has that racing widebody and that racing aero. Maybe. But, the M2 has a very similar widebody.

That is not at all what I'm suggesting. Take a step back and ask yourself these questions:

What does it mean to "test" a wing?

What do the engineers developing the wing need to understand about it?

Why test it on a track at all?

Why not just use a wind tunnel and an actual M2?

The goal of track testing components is to understand their effects on the car's handling.

So, what can the handling of a car with a full cage, slicks, and race aero tell you about how said wing will affect a production M2? Zero. The racing slicks alone make it pointless. If this car had road tires. Maybe... Maaaaaybe it'd make some sense.

Originally Posted by fuddman

I don't find your logic all that compelling, so we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Sorry, I'm not letting you off the hook that easy

[SDKevin]

Originally Posted by handled

I'm surprised they use an auto transmission

Why? It's faster than the manual.

[fuddman]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

You're ... ignoring the parts of my post that provide an answer ...

With all due respect, you don't have any answers. You've got guesses. Just like me and everybody else.

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by fuddman

With all due respect, you don't have any answers. You've got guesses. Just like me and everybody else.

I'm not guessing about what car that is.

Speaking of not having any answers, where are your answers to any of the questions that would make sense of the CSL/GTS suggestions?

What does it mean to "test" a wing?

What do the engineers developing the wing need to understand about it?

Why test it on a track at all?

Why not just use a wind tunnel and an actual M2?

Maybe they just wanted to make sure the car wouldn't flip over or blow up with it fitted? Amirite?

[YouAreMyWorld]

Originally Posted by fuddman

With all due respect, you don't have any answers. You've got guesses. Just like me and everybody else.

Whether it's purely conjecture or not, you cannot refute the logic and reasoning behind his assertions.

While you're clinging onto the fact that an "official statement" hasn't necessarily been made as of yet.

The empirical data that would be gathered from this test wouldn't seem to translate well, as we're not dealing with an apples-to-apples comparison. So, for this scenario only, how would it be beneficial when there are so many different variables to take into account if this were to be for an M2 CSL?

That's like trying to gauge my running mile time using quarter-mile speed and I can't keep up said pace throughout the course of an entire mile.

[Aspe]

Originally Posted by fuddman

You're saying they wouldn't test an M2 wing on a car with a full cage? Why wouldn't they? What's the cage got to do with a wing?
You're saying they wouldn't test an M2 wing on a car with racing slicks? Why wouldn't they? Whats the tires got to do with the wing?
You suggest the wing is only good for a car that has that racing widebody and that racing aero. Maybe. But, the M2 has a very similar widebody.
I don't find your logic all that compelling, so we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Cute.

[chris82]

Looks like a great car, still would be cooler woth a good ol manual transmission though

[ORIGIN M.]

Ahhhhh the update is the M240i Racing...

[neo871]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

this car looks so good.

on another note, did BMW do a big group buy for APEX EC-7s?

Those are BBS wheels: http://www.worldcarfans.com/11508259.../highphotos#14

Front calipers are made for this car by Performance Friction.

I am pretty sure this is no M2 CSL, main reasons for my assumption being that: 1) it looks too nice :P and 2) it has too many parts in common with the current M235i racing variant.

My guess is that they realized the M235i racing needs a little more tweaking to meet the demands of the racing series it is used to compete in.

I also believe that this is an amazing car for its purpose.
They should do this for the M3/M4 too. The DTM variant is obviously to much for the privateer team they are targeting.

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by neo871

Those are BBS wheels: http://www.worldcarfans.com/11508259.../highphotos#14

Front calipers are made for this car by Performance Friction.

I am pretty sure this is no M2 CSL, main reasons for my assumption being that: 1) it looks too nice :P and 2) it has too many parts in common with the current M235i racing variant.

My guess is that they realized the M235i racing needs a little more tweaking to meet the demands of the racing series it is used to compete in.

I also believe that this is an amazing car for its purpose.
They should do this for the M3/M4 too. The DTM variant is obviously to much for the privateer team they are targeting.

I thought the M235i Racing was in its own class within the VLN series? If it is, that would mean everyone is on a level playing field, wing or not.

Not that I think a wing is a bad idea. I'm actually rather surprised that it didn't have one from the beginning. Most production coupes aren't particularly good in the downforce department. That's not a favorable characteristic when you're racing lol.

[neo871]

You are right, it's in a class of its own, but that doesn't mean improvements are not welcomed

I am not saying the wing is a bad idea either.

[SCOTT26]

It is important to recognise that what is learned on the track will eventually come on the road...

[Jason]

Added new closeup photos.

BMW M235i Racing - Closeups