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After all, it isn't like I would choose between purchasing a single M2 and 2 or more M235's, but I might well choose an M2 over an M4, especially if one of my main factors in deciding was the "M" emblem on the trunk lid... I suspect BMW would be equally as happy if a buyer chose an M2 over a M235i or the other way around, but far less so if the buyer chose, say, an ATS over the M235i..l |
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This car was clearly engineered to see some significant track time, but NO it is not an M4. If people want a M4, people have to pay up for that privilege, not get an M4 for M2 money. That does not lessen the M2's worth in any way, it only makes it's own unique model, NOT just a tuned up M235i. Seeing the M2 vs M235i side by side, and in back to back test drives will illustrate the huge distinctions. |
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However, your observation is insightful about potential down marketing from M4 to M2, but then many of those M4 buyers were probably more M2 buyers to begin with anyway. They might have jumped to a stripped down M4 because there was no M2 until now, but the market will correct itself, and as you've already stated protect the brand from people jumping to cars like the upcoming RS3 sedan whenever Audi gets around to bringing it to the US. |
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The M2 is going to be a real ripper and perhaps the remedy to all the whiners who bitch about the M4 being too big, too bloated, too soft...bitch, bitch, bitch! |
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M cars are all about performance, but they are also about style and workmanship as well. If you were only interested in raw performance then you'd save a lot of money buying a Subaru.
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The only people that complain about the next generation M3/M4 will always be the last generation owners...that is until they get the next generation themselves. It is the "natural law of M fanboy ownership". Could my M3 have come standard with 500 plus horsepower? Of course, but the M experience is much more about being balanced then stretching for max horsepower. That is AMG's forte, and that is not a bad thing at all, just a different philosophy/experience. |
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BTW...if you are interested in raw performance, Subaru probably would not be on most folks shopping lists regardless of cost, unless you are like a 20-26 year old dope who either can't afford going German, or just can't appreciate the difference, to which I'd say go for the Subie. |
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Heck, the new Mustang GT Premium has a better interior than the M2. What does that tell you? Yes, Ford is making great cars but yes, BMW is losing it too. At least Audi understands the importance of a nice interior on a PREMIUM car. Which M cars used to be. Throwing a few new parts at the engine does not an M car make. |
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Quite dissapointed with this tbh, my head was set on getting 1 of these but its missing too much. The seats, wing mirrors, bonnet and the rear end are just shocking omissions. Even making the seats optional extras would be a start. I'd buy this and feel like I dont actually have an M car!
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10-15-2015, 03:15 PM | #62 |
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For the short term. For the long term, I'd argue that the relative quality of BMWs (both compared to other marques and compared to past BMWs), as well as the flattening, broadening, and softening of its U.S. product range, will cost it dearly if it continues. Its European business may not suffer as much since BMWs are seen as slightly more pedestrian vehicles there. But in the U.S., higher-end brand reputation and mystique is a larger part of what makes the marque successful. Such traits can fall apart over time (albeit rarely quickly, with some exceptions) if bruises to the brand are not addressed.
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Clearly, you are not an M, AMG, RS/S level person who is buying/understands these special cars for all the right reasons. Good riddance! |
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10-15-2015, 03:29 PM | #64 |
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The M2 doesn't even have subframe bushings. You want to convince me it won't be hardcore? LOL! It will probably make the e46 look like a Cadillac.
E36/E46/E92s had partially different seats or the same seats as their non M counterparts....and all you guys are crying about lack of M seats? Am I the only one who remembers luxury package E36s and E46 M convertibles? The N55B30T0 has a different block. It's barely a regular N55. Am I the only one who remembers when M cars were about the driving experience and NOT M logos on seats (that don't even have thigh extensions) and other little trinkets? I guess the E46 M3 sucked because the nav unit was shared with the 325i too..... Today's M cars are far more aggressive than any e30 or e36. The E46 set the "modern M" standards and the current cars take chassis engineering and workmanship to a whole new level. What's awesome is that the high end non-Ms are WAY more capable than they used to be. And that works out for those of us who can't afford or don't want to pay for full M models just yet. If you can't appreciate the many minor differences between M cars and non-Ms. Then you can save your money and drive a 2/3/435i or a 550i. That's why BMW gives us options!
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A) seeing one in person. B) seeing the official final US pricing/options. C) most importantly, driving one in person. Sounds reasonable... |
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The 1m coupe was one of the best looking cars BMW ever made so people naturally expect this to be on a par. The seats are already available in the M3 & M4, so why not just use them?
Criticism of people who feel it's half hearted is a bit harsh considering it's clearly a marketing decision, otherwise you'd put the seats and mirrors on the damn thing. It's not a bad car its just limited. |
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