[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by W///

I won't deny that there's a good chance that car will destroy everything in BMW's lineup, but it's just not the type of car I'm looking for. First of all, the thing is huge (one of the reasons I didn't go for an F80 in the first place), and some of the interior bits are pretty horrible (I know some people might not care about that).

I'm looking for something like an E36 M3 replacement, which the M2 fits the bill. I'm also expecting the GT350 to be $60k plus? Which is out of my budget for now. I will say that I thought the GT's looked way better in real life though. The pics thankfully did not do them justice.

I'm in the same exact boat as you are my friend. I can't justify 60k for a mustang when the M2 will definitely start under that. Especially when the GT350 is out of my price range anyways.

Too many mustangs on the road. The M2 will be popular, but more special.

And it will almost definitely be more refined, especially the interior.

[phoenixbmwlife]

Originally Posted by W///

I won't deny that there's a good chance that car will destroy everything in BMW's lineup, but it's just not the type of car I'm looking for. First of all, the thing is huge (one of the reasons I didn't go for an F80 in the first place), and some of the interior bits are pretty horrible (I know some people might not care about that).

I'm looking for something like an E36 M3 replacement, which the M2 fits the bill. I'm also expecting the GT350 to be $60k plus? Which is out of my budget for now. I will say that I thought the GT's looked way better in real life though. The pics thankfully did not do them justice.

The M2 will probably be $60k easy with very little options. Depending on how much it starts at. If it's $55,000 with destination you will have to get a base model really to be under $60,000. Just getting executive package or MDCT with 19" wheels and upgraded stereo and you're already at or over $60,000.

Executive package possibly $4,000+
Drivers Assistance Package possibly $1,900+
Lighting Package $1,900
19" wheels $1,200
M DCT $2,900
Adaptive M Suspension $1,000
Harmon Kardon Surround Sound $875

The Mustang is just not an option for me not because of brand loyalty to BMW but more because of brand unloyalty to FORD if you will. Ford will need many more years to win me over.

[PackPride85]

Originally Posted by Bennu

The M2 will probably be $60k easy with very little options. Depending on how much it starts at. If it's $55,000 with destination you will have to get a base model really to be under $60,000. Just getting executive package or MDCT with 19" wheels and upgraded stereo and you're already at or over $60,000.

Executive package possibly $4,000+
Drivers Assistance Package possibly $1,900+
Lighting Package $1,900
19" wheels $1,200
M DCT $2,900
Adaptive M Suspension $1,000
Harmon Kardon Surround Sound $875

The Mustang is just not an option for me not because of brand loyalty to BMW but more because of brand unloyalty to FORD if you will. Ford will need many more years to win me over.

Rumors are its going to have 19's standard. I think there's a strong chance they might not even offer the adaptive suspension either to keep it somewhat distant form the m3/m4 cross shoppers.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

I'm in the same exact boat as you are my friend. I can't justify 60k for a mustang when the M2 will definitely start under that. Especially when the GT350 is out of my price range anyways.

Too many mustangs on the road. The M2 will be popular, but more special.

And it will almost definitely be more refined, especially the interior.

And not just that. The size of these damn Mustangs! Completely different planets. It felt so much bigger than my E92, yet alone what the 2 series will be like.

I have 0 doubt that the GT350 will easily outperform the M2 in every way.

Originally Posted by Bennu

The M2 will probably be $60k easy with very little options. Depending on how much it starts at. If it's $55,000 with destination you will have to get a base model really to be under $60,000. Just getting executive package or MDCT with 19" wheels and upgraded stereo and you're already at or over $60,000.

Executive package possibly $4,000+
Drivers Assistance Package possibly $1,900+
Lighting Package $1,900
19" wheels $1,200
M DCT $2,900
Adaptive M Suspension $1,000
Harmon Kardon Surround Sound $875

The Mustang is just not an option for me not because of brand loyalty to BMW but more because of brand unloyalty to FORD if you will. Ford will need many more years to win me over.

Potentially, but that's not how I'd option my cars new.
$55k base (I doubt it'll start that high)
$1900 for LED headlights (this is not an absolute must have option for me)
$875 for HK
$550 for LBB paint
Cloth is free
6MT is free

Done. I really think with ED, it'll be less than that. I really think that is worst case scenario right there too

Besides, I don't see the Exec package being that high, when you consider things like HUD are not available for the 2 Series platform anyway.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by smakdown61

BMW is going to be dropping into a full fight when the M2 comes out. GT350, RS3, CLA45 AMG...all new models at the same time in the same price range.

Indeed, competition will be a good thing.

[Roundown]

Originally Posted by smakdown61

Rumors are its going to have 19's standard. I think there's a strong chance they might not even offer the adaptive suspension either to keep it somewhat distant form the m3/m4 cross shoppers.

Aren't 18" standard in the M3/4...would seem odd to skip here.

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by cSurf

Aren't 18" standard in the M3/4...would seem odd to skip here.

Region specific, UK gets 19s standard, although many might wish for the 18s.

My 19s on the M235i are pretty harsh but RFT, its the lower profile. PSS tyres on 19s probably great on an M2 hopefully.

[Aust350z]

19" are standard spec on Aus vehicles as well (we typically following EU).

[Colinv6]

I have it on good authority that for next year the M3 and 4 will be getting additional standard colours and the 18" option in the UK.

[S65V8]

Not sure if anyone has brought this up, but shouldn't the M2 be essentially a hopped up and luxo version of the M235i Racing? Even the body should be close to what the M2 ends up looking like. I think everyone agrees the M235i Racing car is a looker.

[Cavpilot2k]

Originally Posted by SROC5

Not sure if anyone has brought this up, but shouldn't the M2 be essentially a hopped up and luxo version of the M235i Racing? Even the body should be close to what the M2 ends up looking like. I think everyone agrees the M235i Racing car is a looker.

No, it shouldn't, especially on the "luxo version" front. The M2 should be no more luxurious than the M235, and in fact should be less so. M cars should absolutely NOT be about luxury. All luxury does is weigh down a car with unnecessary crap and drive the price up unnecessarily.

The M2 should be a beefed up, sharper, harder, more raw version of the M235, akin to the racing version, but with not one iota more luxury added to it. You want luxury? Get one of the Luxo-barges in the M3/4/5/6 range.

[golf_234]

Originally Posted by SROC5

Not sure if anyone has brought this up, but shouldn't the M2 be essentially a hopped up and luxo version of the M235i Racing? Even the body should be close to what the M2 ends up looking like. I think everyone agrees the M235i Racing car is a looker.

I have always said this, it will be similar. Or you can at least get a pretty good idea.



It was pointed out by another member that the front air dam will use the M styling, not the M sport styling; / \ versus \ / but the general look is there in my opinion.

[PackPride85]

Originally Posted by Cavpilot2k

No, it shouldn't, especially on the "luxo version" front. The M2 should be no more luxurious than the M235, and in fact should be less so. M cars should absolutely NOT be about luxury. All luxury does is weigh down a car with unnecessary crap and drive the price up unnecessarily.

The M2 should be a beefed up, sharper, harder, more raw version of the M235, akin to the racing version, but with not one iota more luxury added to it. You want luxury? Get one of the Luxo-barges in the M3/4/5/6 range.

Except in the US BMW markets their M cars as "luxo" versions. Notice here how NAV is standard and Extended Leather and DCT are the default checked options.

[Cavpilot2k]

Originally Posted by smakdown61

Except in the US BMW markets their M cars as "luxo" versions. Notice here how NAV is standard and Extended Leather and DCT are the default checked options.

Sure. I'm not saying they won't overburden it with unnecessary extraneous shit, but they shouldn't. They should at least make any and all luxury items a la carte and a lower base price.

I know BMW often takes a hit for making everything an expensive option instead of offering lots of standard goodies, but nobody buys a Honda or Toyota as a "pure driver's car". Those "basic transportation" cars should have all the goodies included.
I don't want Nav in my M2 - my iphone works just as well and I don't have to update maps or live with an interface that will age badly, as all car nav systems do (I have no idea why people still get nav systems in their cars - they age so poorly).
I may or may not want adaptive suspension, so it needs to be an option.
A HUD? Useless gadget that serves no more purpose that to impress your friends with the latest gadget. If you aren't flying a high-performance aircraft in three dimensions, you really don't need a HUD.

More gadgets=more stuff to
a) drive the price up
b) drive the performance down
c) break

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by SROC5

Not sure if anyone has brought this up, but shouldn't the M2 be essentially a hopped up and luxo version of the M235i Racing? Even the body should be close to what the M2 ends up looking like. I think everyone agrees the M235i Racing car is a looker.

Hopefully not, it's got the 8AT rather than 7DCT and no CFRP in sight..

[PackPride85]

Originally Posted by Cavpilot2k

Sure. I'm not saying they won't overburden it with unnecessary extraneous shit, but they shouldn't. They should at least make any and all luxury items a la carte and a lower base price.

I know BMW often takes a hit for making everything an expensive option instead of offering lots of standard goodies, but nobody buys a Honda or Toyota as a "pure driver's car". Those "basic transportation" cars should have all the goodies included.
I don't want Nav in my M2 - my iphone works just as well and I don't have to update maps or live with an interface that will age badly, as all car nav systems do (I have no idea why people still get nav systems in their cars - they age so poorly).
I may or may not want adaptive suspension, so it needs to be an option.
A HUD? Useless gadget that serves no more purpose that to impress your friends with the latest gadget. If you aren't flying a high-performance aircraft in three dimensions, you really don't need a HUD.

More gadgets=more stuff to
a) drive the price up
b) drive the performance down
c) break

I agree about the NAV part. Although I'd really like to see a carplay enabled unit even if its only with the smaller screen.

[RingMeister01]

How do you think of a car you want without exploding in 2 years

[ewohar]

Originally Posted by Cavpilot2k

No, it shouldn't, especially on the "luxo version" front. The M2 should be no more luxurious than the M235, and in fact should be less so. M cars should absolutely NOT be about luxury. All luxury does is weigh down a car with unnecessary crap and drive the price up unnecessarily.

The M2 should be a beefed up, sharper, harder, more raw version of the M235, akin to the racing version, but with not one iota more luxury added to it. You want luxury? Get one of the Luxo-barges in the M3/4/5/6 range.

I agree 100%. Strip it down and focus on raw performance.

[S65V8]

Good opinions everybody, and I see "El PassiON.." in some people's responses - hahaha.

The sad thing is the M (as we've seen with M3/4/5/6) will likely add luxo barge features as standard (i.e. nav, ton o' sound deadening, etc.). It would be great though if they offered a M2 CSL type model aimed for the purist.

I just hope this car at minimum weighs under 3,400lbs. and has an engine fortified in some way for extended track use.

Although, as some ppl have pointed out, in order for this car to not overshadow the M3/4 model, they might make it just heavy enough and less trackable to let the M3/4 shine brighter.

[W///]

Originally Posted by SROC5

Good opinions everybody, and I see "El PassiON.." in some people's responses - hahaha.

The sad thing is the M (as we've seen with M3/4/5/6) will likely add luxo barge features as standard (i.e. nav, ton o' sound deadening, etc.). It would be great though if they offered a M2 CSL type model aimed for the purist.

I just hope this car at minimum weighs under 3,400lbs. and has an engine fortified in some way for extended track use.

Although, as some ppl have pointed out, in order for this car to not overshadow the M3/4 model, they might make it just heavy enough and less trackable to let the M3/4 shine brighter.

Yet you and I are driving 3700 lbs E92 M3's. So how much do we really care about weight really?

I've got both ends of the spectrum, an E36 and an E92. They obviously drive completely different, and while I'd love to see the M2 being 3400 lbs, I'm not making it my absolute requirement.

[twin fed]

In general weight within 150-200lbs is not really a major concern of mine. Some people are so hung up on "oh if it's 3400lbs i'm not buying it" I would say that 95% of people could not tell the difference between 3400lbs and 3500lbs anyway.

[sgrinavi]

Originally Posted by Cavpilot2k

No, it shouldn't, especially on the "luxo version" front. The M2 should be no more luxurious than the M235, and in fact should be less so. M cars should absolutely NOT be about luxury. All luxury does is weigh down a car with unnecessary crap and drive the price up unnecessarily.

The M2 should be a beefed up, sharper, harder, more raw version of the M235, akin to the racing version, but with not one iota more luxury added to it. You want luxury? Get one of the Luxo-barges in the M3/4/5/6 range.

Is there any reason to believe that BMW has any intention to make this any different than the so-called "Luxo Lines"?