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http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1049659 "Q: You have stated that dual-clutch transmission are set because of the high-speed concept. What about the manual transmission? Nitschke: In Europe, the taking order for the manual transmission decreased significantly. Here we are, for example, in M3/M4 in the range of 20 percent. Today the DCT and automatic gives better performance figures than the manual transmission, which for us in certain way is a small dilemma. But there is of course a hardcore community, for which the manual transmission is mandatory. What I can promise is that the combination of six-cylinder and manual transmission is maintained as a long-term option, which also makes sense from weight reasons because the manual transmission is about 30 kg lighter. In addition, we believe that the manual gearbox perhaps even again could become a unique selling point - based on the competition. In the V8 this is currently still a moving target, since particularly the American market the demands a manual transmission. But it is also clear that this solution represents a second build line, and a second transmission supplier, and a separate setup, which also is cost relevant."
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If they are to release an M2 convertible they would have to offer DCT.
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BMW's other series avoid confusion by having a base big-engine model and a high-performance M variant (e.g. 435i and M4.) That gives customers a clear distinction between the M variant and the rest of the models in the series. Not sure there's a big enough niche between the (theoretical) '17 M240i and (near-certain) '17 M2. To make that M-Performance-to-Real-M niche even smaller, the M2 can't be as fast as the M3/M4. BMW probably won't want M2 sales to cannibalize sales of their more expensive and presumably higher-margin M3/M4 sales. Sporty drivers who want more speed will need to go higher up in the M pecking order. Also, the M2 will need to be much less expensive than the M3/M4. Slower + smaller = cheaper in consumers' eyes. And that means even less room for an intermediate M240i. Maybe, if BMW were to remove a few go-fast bits from the '17 M240i and call it a 240i and lower the price a few grand, they might boost 2-Series sales overall. The M2 would fill the gap between the non-M-Performance 240i and the M3/M4.
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There's apparently quite a large die-hard manual box market here.
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"...the take rate for M3 manuals was a staggering 44 percent over the life of the E90-series cars." Keep in mind that when they say E90-series cars, they mean the E90, E92, and E93. One would assume that the sedan and 'vert buyer would skew the numbers toward the DCT a bit, considering the different intentions of those cars.
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