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      10-09-2013, 09:14 AM   #111
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Why are people so stuck on the M2? Nothing has been confirmed and yet rumors are spewing all over the place lol...
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Stop gossiping...

The only thing released so far is nothing! The specs on page 1 are from a poster on here that snatched them really fast from a South African site...
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If the M235i is quicker around a track than the 1M (source), is there any reason why BMW would rush or consider a M2? If M235i will be quicker than the 1M, in my eyes it's already a successor to the 1M without the badge. Maybe someone can remember, but I don't recall any next gen car besting the a M car from the previous generation. IIRC, the E92 335i was 4 seconds slower than the E46 M3 around the Nurburgring.

The way I see this is for those waiting for a M2, this news is a bummer but if you're looking for a performer similar to the 1M, the M235i works at a lower price tag and no limited-production.
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      10-09-2013, 09:19 AM   #114
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The only thing released so far is nothing! The specs on page 1 are from a poster on here that snatched them really fast from a South African site...
The official specs on page 1 are from official PDFs listed on the official BMW South Africa site.
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      10-09-2013, 09:28 AM   #115
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Comparison of E82 and F22:
Specs comparison based on the PDF file you attached. I sure hope the width is incorrect haha.

1 Series Coupe (135i):
Length 4380 mm / 172.4 in
Width 1803 mm / 71 in
Height 1420 mm / 55.9 in

Wheelbase 2660 mm / 104.7 in
Front track 1541 mm / 60.7 in
Rear track 1541 mm / 60.7 in

Weight:
Unladen weight 1570 kg / 3461 lbs


2 Series Coupe (M235i):
Vehicle Length (mm) 4454
Vehicle Width (mm) 1774
Vehicle Height (mm) 1408

Wheelbase 2690 mm
Track, Front (mm) 1516
Track Rear (mm) 1532

Weight:
Unladen Weight: 1455(M), 1470(A)
Sorry if others already commented on this but the weight comparison is misleading. You have put the US unladen weight of the E82 135i while the M235i weight is DIN norm, means without driver and luggage. I believe at 1470 kg. DIN M235i (auto) is only 25 kg. lighter than a 1M, manual version is 40 kg. lighter, and there is almost zero weight difference between a 135i and M235i (only in US 135i was quoted heavier than 1M due to standard equipment differences, in EU 135i was slightly lighter than 1M).

I saw nothing new or really unexpected among the specs, very small power bump and 0.1 sec. faster to 100 km/h in comparison to M135i, probably advertising figures to keep it on top of the hatch sister model.
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https://app.bmw.co.za/dws/VTS/servle...modelCode=UC92 I don't know if the link will work for everybody but according to the south african website of bmw the E82 135i weight exactly the same as the F22 M235i no real weight reduction here. 1455kg vs 1455kg for the manual. I'm a bit disappointed about this but for the rest seem to be fine. Let hope the price won`t go too crazy.
Yeah, I knew someone should have noted this before! Well, anyway
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      10-09-2013, 09:44 AM   #117
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The pricing is very encouraging because I'm looking for this to potentially be my next car. It'll be either this or an X1 or X3. I know, very different. Trying to really decide what I want/need, haha. Good thing I have plenty of time on my end to decide!
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      10-09-2013, 09:52 AM   #118
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Hmmm... it appears that the configurator has been removed.... damn
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If the M235i is quicker around a track than the 1M (source), is there any reason why BMW would rush or consider a M2? If M235i will be quicker than the 1M, in my eyes it's already a successor to the 1M without the badge. Maybe someone can remember, but I don't recall any next gen car besting the a M car from the previous generation. IIRC, the E92 335i was 4 seconds slower than the E46 M3 around the Nurburgring.

The way I see this is for those waiting for a M2, this news is a bummer but if you're looking for a performer similar to the 1M, the M235i works at a lower price tag and no limited-production.
This is exactly what BMW want you and others to believe obviously. I will dare to bet that Ring time is already there (or at least targeted very seriously) waiting to be announced at launch and set for something as close as 8.14 (1 seconds faster than Sport Auto number for 1M), done by a better pilot with a car loaded with performance options, Michelin PSS and no other type of heavy options, just to convince potential buyers "to not wait for a late comer M2", since it is as fast or faster than a 1M, right? Well not so right imho.

A 1M is as fast and in most cases faster than a manual E92 M3, period. And there are a lot of other areas of performance too, not only 0-60 or a Ring time. So, if this M235i is really a more performant car than both 1M and M3 which mimic each others real world data very closely, I would really, sincerely like to see that. Sure, 8 speed auto and better tires and more efficient suspension will help but it won't be really enough, I can't see that happening and am sure that independent magazine tests, comparos will agree.

I posted this before: Guys, don't buy every marketing word, ask for a proper M2 to come early, wish bigger! That's how 1M happened albeit for a short period of time and at limited quantities. This passive line of thinking will lead BMW to focus on just the MPerformance cars I am afraid. BMW's reluctance to confirm an eventual M2 in production should be seen as a sign.

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If the M235i is quicker around a track than the 1M (source), is there any reason why BMW would rush or consider a M2? If M235i will be quicker than the 1M, in my eyes it's already a successor to the 1M without the badge. Maybe someone can remember, but I don't recall any next gen car besting the a M car from the previous generation. IIRC, the E92 335i was 4 seconds slower than the E46 M3 around the Nurburgring.

The way I see this is for those waiting for a M2, this news is a bummer but if you're looking for a performer similar to the 1M, the M235i works at a lower price tag and no limited-production.
I have been wondering the same thing...and although there have been rumors of a M435, there isn't one currently...because we know we are getting a M3 and M4...

If the M235 is going to be this "good" then that's why there won't be an M2 tomorrow. they're waiting to see if they need to build one...
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The official specs on page 1 are from official PDFs listed on the official BMW South Africa site.
Pricing is what I was referring to...and I haven't seen anything released in the US so those don't help me all that much. Good benchmark to start at...but nothing solid for the US market.
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Pricing is what I was referring to...and I haven't seen anything released in the US so those don't help me all that much. Good benchmark to start at...but nothing solid for the US market.
The guesses have been discussed ad nauseam on the 2er forum. the range seems to be as low as 39K to start (no effing way if you ask me) up to mid-40s to start (close to the 135is, and thus the most logical).

I had always figured that the M235i would be mid 40s to start and low 50s with a decent amount of options.

hopefully if an M2 does arrive, it will have a sub-50k price point like the 1M and give people the option of the "stripper" performance car...

we shall see...
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The official specs on page 1 are from official PDFs listed on the official BMW South Africa site.
Did BMW south africa jump the gun on the embargo? are we going to see specs for the rest of the world (USA for me) today????
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The official specs on page 1 are from official PDFs listed on the official BMW South Africa site.
Did BMW south africa jump the gun on the embargo? are we going to see specs for the rest of the world (USA for me) today????
Looks like BMW South Africa posted it accidentally. They now removed the info.

Good thing it's preserved on bimmerpost hah.
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Decisions, decisions... I've been daydreaming about the new M3... now I get to daydream on choosing between that and M235i! Sporty and compact versus torquey and practical. Can't wait to test drive both!

I'll just keep driving my E90 while I'm not busy dreaming.
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If the M235i is quicker around a track than the 1M (source), is there any reason why BMW would rush or consider a M2? If M235i will be quicker than the 1M, in my eyes it's already a successor to the 1M without the badge. Maybe someone can remember, but I don't recall any next gen car besting the a M car from the previous generation. IIRC, the E92 335i was 4 seconds slower than the E46 M3 around the Nurburgring.

The way I see this is for those waiting for a M2, this news is a bummer but if you're looking for a performer similar to the 1M, the M235i works at a lower price tag and no limited-production.
Yeah, I kind of agree with this.... Unless the M4 is much faster than the E92 M3, then the M2 has more margin... We can dream
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The guesses have been discussed ad nauseam on the 2er forum. the range seems to be as low as 39K to start (no effing way if you ask me) up to mid-40s to start (close to the 135is, and thus the most logical).

I had always figured that the M235i would be mid 40s to start and low 50s with a decent amount of options.

hopefully if an M2 does arrive, it will have a sub-50k price point like the 1M and give people the option of the "stripper" performance car...

we shall see...
The only way I see BMW making a M2 is if the M235i isn't up to par with the CLA45 AMG forcing BMW to make a true M car to compete with an AMG. But if the M235i competes well against the CLA45, I think we can all forget about a M2, I just wouldn't see any reason why BMW would make a M2 with no competitor if the M235i competes well with the CLA and A3.
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Will M-sport be available on the 228i?
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The only way I see BMW making a M2 is if the M235i isn't up to par with the CLA45 AMG forcing BMW to make a true M car to compete with an AMG. But if the M235i competes well against the CLA45, I think we can all forget about a M2, I just wouldn't see any reason why BMW would make a M2 with no competitor if the M235i competes well with the CLA and A3.

I do not believe BMW to be that reactionary. I certainly don't see them building an M car in response to existing market offerings from the competition. If there will ever be an M2 (yes), it has most likely already been approved and is being tested as we speak in preparation for its launch next year. These cars are planned years in advance. Design, development, testing and eventual production and approval of these models can take years!
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Given that we're starting to see the 2 series roll out (I assume once the M3/M4 reveals have taken place) what's the timeline for the production availability of these cars? More specifically, when will we see an M2? That's one BMW that I'm really looking forward to.
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