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10-09-2014, 06:30 PM | #23 | |
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I searched around for an 09 128i stick a little while back because I liked the idea of having a cheap, reliable fun car but there aren't any
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There are two key things to consider:
Resale Value According to KBB, the resale value of an '09 128i Sport w/ 60K miles is $14,132 whether you select automatic or manual. So, at least for Southern California, you shouldn't expect much difference in what you get for the car if you sell it in about five years. Of course, there's always the possibility that you find a buyer who is particularly desperate for a manual and yours is the only one around, but I wouldn't count on it. Time/Effort To Sell For almost all cars, manuals will have both lower supply and lower demand (i.e., fewer cars available and fewer buyers looking for them). This means that the chance of a prospective buyer being geographically close to you are smaller if you're trying to sell a manual. So, despite some of the anecdotes of manuals flying off a dealer's lot, it's pretty hard to predict how long it will take you to sell your car. If you live in a less populated area, you will probably have to cast your net wider and wait longer. If you live in a dense urban area with lots of enthusiasts, you may have an easier time. Of course, if you go the trade-in route, you will almost certainly get less for the car, but you will also not have to work as hard (unless the dealer simply doesn't want your car--which may happen if it's significantly older that five years).
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10-10-2014, 06:03 PM | #25 |
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It's all about having fun with your car. If you enjoy a manual... a manual it should be.
I wouldn't worry too much about resale value. I was told by dealers the same thing... a manual isn't worth much today. However, if you find a bimmer person - they will buy a manual. I got an extra $1000 for having a manual vs automatic by finding my old E46 a good home and someone who appreciates a manual. |
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10-10-2014, 08:10 PM | #27 | |
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At one time all cars were manual. Now something like only 9% of new cars are manual. Fundamentally, most folks don't want them and the data supports that. Sadly, as more folks try to text and drive or enjoy a cup of Starbucks while driving, I expect this sliding trend to continue. Kinda tricky to answer a cell call while your heel/toe-ing between 4th and 2nd in a corner. You have to remember the little world we have here is very skewed and is filled with rabid drivers. These are blokes who give up creature comforts like air condoning vents for oil temp and turbo boost gauges. :thump: In short…this list is NOT your typical BMW shopper, but rather a small, enthusiastic subset of them. Will you have less potential buyers of a MT when you're ready to sell? Of course…the numbers above support that. BUT, the MT buyers will be more maniacal about having that MT. You shouldn't have too hard of a time to locate a banshee that likes rowing gears when you want to sell. Plus the MT on the 2 comes with pretty good accolades so far. Me…I prefer an AT due to a bad left knee and hideous LA traffic. Plus my AT shifts like heaven with the paddles and is faster and gets better MPG. What should you do? Get the one that you enjoy driving the most! |
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10-10-2014, 09:14 PM | #28 |
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If there was a big difference then it would be reflected in residual value when they lease these. As it is it's the same % whether it's a manual or auto so don't sweat it.
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10-11-2014, 05:31 AM | #29 |
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Buy what you like and drive the machine. IF you are thinking resale before you buy or order-- Get something else or keep what you have. Production line cars depreciate. Some more than others.
I buy to drive and enjoy. I will deal with the resale later on. Its not even a consideration to begin with. Especially buying new as the depreciation is so large its not a worry. It just is...so to speak. |
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10-11-2014, 05:45 AM | #30 |
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I find it strange individuals think about getting rid of there new pride and joy before even buying it!! . IMHO going with your heart is always more pleasurable than head, and that would be life in general
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10-11-2014, 09:10 AM | #31 | |
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OP - get what the hell will make you happiest and enjoy the snot out of it.. Let that be your guide
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10-11-2014, 03:03 PM | #32 |
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There's no way in hell I'd trade the last five years of 6MT driving bliss for five years of driving the car as an automatic just for a higher resale value. Fact is though that 6MT is cheaper to maintain long term and given the rarity of this type and package of car now it only makes sense to keep it for the long term which even further reinforces my transmission choice (who cares about resale value if you own the car 10 years?). If I suddenly want an automatic I'll buy a used Honda and drive it as a beater while the 1er rests in the garage waiting for non-commuting fun.
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10-12-2014, 07:31 PM | #33 |
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I think the 6MT will make the car more valuable. This is an enthusiasts car. Compare E36, E46, and E90s with MT vs. Auto. Since enthusiasts tend to buy used, MT is worth more.
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10-12-2014, 07:41 PM | #34 |
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I haven't read the thread, I could be repeating others'. If choosing the Sports Auto diminishes your enjoyment of the car during your ownership period, I doubt if the actual difference in resale value at end of ownership would make up for it. Config the car you want to own and drive, not the one the next buyer wants to buy and drive.
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10-13-2014, 11:49 AM | #35 | |
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10-13-2014, 12:15 PM | #36 |
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1) get what you want, you only live once, yadda yadda
2) in the used M3 market, manuals get $3k-$5k more than their auto counterparts. Indeed, look at Enthusiast Auto, they don't even take automatics, and they sell their cars for really high prices. |
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10-14-2014, 09:03 AM | #37 |
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It depends on when you try to sell your car. If you try to sell it in the next couple of years, your target buyer may be a rich housewife who is looking for a fun car to drive to the country club. Hence, she will want an automatic most likely. If you wait 6-10 years to sell it privately, your target buyer will probably be a driving enthusiast who will only consider buying a manual. When I look at older BMWs or Porsches, a manual is a requirement. Then again, I wouldn't buy an automatic transmission BMW ever again. Made that mistake once and never again. If BMW stops offering manual transmissions, I will leave the brand.
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10-22-2014, 01:47 PM | #38 | |
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Good point. Thats what i would say. Trade in would be waaay less than private sale. You will probably be able to find a guy looking for a used MT in good shape. Buy it for YOU. |
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10-22-2014, 02:59 PM | #40 |
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10-22-2014, 04:57 PM | #42 |
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I think the answer is in how the total car is built. If you have the heated everything and all the bells and whistles, a manual may not help. But if you build a "performance build". A auto hurts!
I ordered my M235 not only with manual but sans sunroof!!! Look at how rare slick top e36 or e46 card are and you will understand. I also agree with the poster that said to look at E30 thru e46 cars. You can hardly give away an auto in those cars! Heck even SMG is a kiss of death to re-sale. Go manual and enjoy! (This from a guy that paid extra for a beautiful MANUAL performance built 08 328 touring, so take it with a grain of salt!$
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10-22-2014, 06:03 PM | #43 |
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I agree with the others who have stated a manual might be easier to sell and you may even get more for it. I have sold a number of cars privately and the buyers always tell me that they were really interested in my car due to the manual. Of course once they come to see it, the low mileage and condition probably helped them decide. I recently sold my C6 Corvette, and most of those cars are autos and the buyers tend to fit the automatic demographic. It took me two days and I got within a few hundred of my asking price. The hardest time I ever hard selling a car was an automatic Toyota Corolla that I used as a winter car one season in MA. The reason was it was in just average condition. While there are a lot of buyers for Toyotas, there are also always a lot for sale, so there is a lot of competition. A low production manual in a sea of automatics is one way to stand out.
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10-24-2014, 01:02 AM | #44 |
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Coming from a track instructor, I believe the track enthusiast (people who will pay asking price) desire for a f22 2 series after production ends will be in the following order:
M2 manual M2 DCT 228i track package manual M235i manual M235i auto M235xi auto M235xi manual 228i track auto 228xi auto And the least desirable f22 will of course be a standard 228i auto. There will be lots of m235is and few 228i track manuals, which are just as fast with a $500 tune but weigh less, and are therefor more fun around corners. The m235xi auto is the fastest f22 around a track until M2 comes - but it's a bit boring.
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