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      07-17-2014, 07:38 PM   #23
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I'm sorry, I normally enjoy Chris's delightfully dry, yet fact bearing and informative journalism. But that preface of not wanting those additional cosmetic/performance bits, read to me as; pardon me BMW, but would you be so kind as to let me have one of your best vehicles to date, and oh yes, incase you were unaware, I am one of the premier, most followed, and well respected auto journalist around, so please do not burden my vehicle with your marketing and advertisements.
I don't know why, it just came of extremely spoiled brat-ish to me.
Maybe, but those red/black streaks down the side of an EB M235i look like absolute poo. I would have asked them not to do it as well, and I'm a nobody in the world of automotive journalism.
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how about a review of the LSD already.. gee whiz...
A ton of us have the LSD, it's epic and will transform the car in subtle and not so subtle ways like you wouldn't believe!
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A ton of us have the LSD, it's epic and will transform the car in subtle and not so subtle ways like you wouldn't believe!
for the m235?
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I'm sorry, I normally enjoy Chris's delightfully dry, yet fact bearing and informative journalism. But that preface of not wanting those additional cosmetic/performance bits, read to me as; pardon me BMW, but would you be so kind as to let me have one of your best vehicles to date, and oh yes, incase you were unaware, I am one of the premier, most followed, and well respected auto journalist around, so please do not burden my vehicle with your marketing and advertisements.
I don't know why, it just came of extremely spoiled brat-ish to me.
Maybe, but those red/black streaks down the side of an EB M235i look like absolute poo. I would have asked them not to do it as well, and I'm a nobody in the world of automotive journalism.
I agree. And if the car were obtained in any other fashion, it probably would not have come across so pretentiously.

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A ton of us have the LSD, it's epic and will transform the car in subtle and not so subtle ways like you wouldn't believe!
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I can't believe no one else noticed - the stupid fucking roundel is missing from his left front wheel ! This has happened to me TWICE now - this after owning 4 other BMWs and never losing one...

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A ton of us have the LSD, it's epic and will transform the car in subtle and not so subtle ways like you wouldn't believe!
I want an LSD but BMW won't do port installed options on an ED car.. I'm picking up my wife's car in September and was going to get the M235 at the same time. If I want the LSD, I will have to order it and pick it up state side, losing the cost benefit of ED, but gaining the part as residualized.

I won't be tracking the car and won't be adding a tune to it either.. I wonder if the LSD will show itself on an automatic without the additional grunt. Even the 2008 M3 I had, needed a bit of a booting to summon the power to start a nice slide. I don't feel the M235 has that amount of torque except on extremely tight hooligan doughnuts. Feedback please!
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I agree. And if the car were obtained in any other fashion, it provably would not have come off so pretentiously.
Heaven forbid the man request a car to test a car as he'd actually spec/option out.
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I want an LSD but BMW won't do port installed options on an ED car.. I'm picking up my wife's car in September and was going to get the M235 at the same time. If I want the LSD, I will have to order it and pick it up state side, losing the cost benefit of ED, but gaining the part as residualized.

I won't be tracking the car and won't be adding a tune to it either.. I wonder if the LSD will show itself on an automatic without the additional grunt. Even the 2008 M3 I had, needed a bit of a booting to summon the power to start a nice slide. I don't feel the M235 has that amount of torque except on extremely tight hooligan doughnuts. Feedback please!
The M235i has a boatload more usable torque at a much lower RPM than the M3 and has a smaller width tire. Its worth it alright.
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The M235i has a boatload more usable torque at a much lower RPM than the M3 and has a smaller width tire. Its worth it alright.
Do you an LSD on your car? When I drove the M235 I had a very difficult time breaking that car loose on anything other then very tight turns with those sticky PSS Michelin's. I'm sure with a manual a little clutch dump or slip will get the party started

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Do you an LSD on your car? When I drove the M235 I had a very difficult time breaking that car loose on anything other then very tight turns with those sticky PSS Michelin's. I'm sure with a manual a little clutch dump or slip will get the party started

Edit: Just saw your sig. Love those mini's
I don't OWN one but I've had more than a little seat time in the M235i. You probably still had DSC engaged. Powering out of tight corners is an exercise in futility with the M235 unless it has an LSD.

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I want an LSD but BMW won't do port installed options on an ED car.. I'm picking up my wife's car in September and was going to get the M235 at the same time. If I want the LSD, I will have to order it and pick it up state side, losing the cost benefit of ED, but gaining the part as residualized.

I won't be tracking the car and won't be adding a tune to it either.. I wonder if the LSD will show itself on an automatic without the additional grunt. Even the 2008 M3 I had, needed a bit of a booting to summon the power to start a nice slide. I don't feel the M235 has that amount of torque except on extremely tight hooligan doughnuts. Feedback please!
I've not driven a 2-series with an LSD, but the M3 comes with an LSD by default. Prior to this, I owned a 135i, which has a similar engine (both are N55 units) and chassis (similar wheelbase) to the M235i. So I do have a "with and without" ownership experience to contrast the two.

The N55 in the M235i actually has more torque (330 lb ft vs 295 lb ft) than the S65 in the M3; my 135i had about the same (300 lb ft). I test drove a sport auto M235i, and I could definitely feel those extra 35 lb ft. The big difference is in the character though. The torque in the M235i comes on very early, and the way the turbo spools up, I felt like I had more trouble spinning a single tire in my 135i than I've ever had in my M3. The LSD in the M3 has a lot to do with that, but the torque delivery of the turbocharged N55 provides an incentive for owners to pick up an LSD.

The other thing you have to consider is how you're going to drive it though. Under normal driving circumstances, you're not going to run in to the need for an LSD. The M235i has some electronic traction control stuff going on that will do more than you need for day-to-day driving. The LSD just isn't going to show up on your radar in around town driving. It only shows up when you break traction. On that note, there is something to be said for winter weather performance. I'm from Florida, so obviously I don't have any snow driving experience, but I've done plenty of off-road driving in limited traction environments, and a limited slip diff (or a diff locker!) is a real benefit in those situations.

IMO, it's an expensive option for someone who will never auto-x or track their car at all. For spirited drives, it's unnecessary, IMO. If you're driving 9/10ths on the street, your money will be better spent on lawyers If you ever plan on doing a HPDE, auto-x, or track day, it sure is nice, but you gotta consider the ROI on that kind of thing.
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If you're driving 9/10ths on the street, your money will be better spent on lawyers If you ever plan on doing a HPDE, auto-x, or track day, it sure is nice, but you gotta consider the ROI on that kind of thing.


Thanks for the comments... I loved booting the M3 and hanging the tail out. But that Car had the balls to do very easily. I'm just bummed that BMW is making things difficult for me. I guess I was just looking for someone with first hand experience to say the LSD is a waste unless you want to do Track work, donuts or you have a manual that you can drop the clutch and throw her around.

I have driven the M235 quite abit with DSC OFF and the Active Diff works great to a point just don't know if highly spirited street driving is going to be covered by the e-diff or will need a true LSD. My E90 with MPPK and automatic will spin the inside wheel on some off camber uphill corners but that car does not have the latest e-diff like the newer cars.

Thanks for the great feedback and good laugh at the end.
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I want an LSD but BMW won't do port installed options on an ED car.. I'm picking up my wife's car in September and was going to get the M235 at the same time. If I want the LSD, I will have to order it and pick it up state side, losing the cost benefit of ED, but gaining the part as residualized.

I won't be tracking the car and won't be adding a tune to it either.. I wonder if the LSD will show itself on an automatic without the additional grunt. Even the 2008 M3 I had, needed a bit of a booting to summon the power to start a nice slide. I don't feel the M235 has that amount of torque except on extremely tight hooligan doughnuts. Feedback please!
Has BMW ED started allowing spouses living in the same household to do EDs simultaneously? I thought it used to be a rule, one ED per six months per household.

Nevermind, apparently it can be done.
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IMO, it's an expensive option for someone who will never auto-x or track their car at all. For spirited drives, it's unnecessary, IMO.
this argument - that an LSD is a waste of money for the street - comes up every now and then and makes sense on its face. however, it ignores the fact that we're buying a sports/sporty car instead of a camry (and spending a lot more money to do it) because we all want to have fun when we're driving. the LSD makes a fun car more fun. how much more fun? is that extra fun worth the extra expense? completely subjective.
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IMO, it's an expensive option for someone who will never auto-x or track their car at all. For spirited drives, it's unnecessary, IMO.
this argument - that an LSD is a waste of money for the street - comes up every now and then and makes sense on its face. however, it ignores the fact that we're buying a sports/sporty car instead of a camry (and spending a lot more money to do it) because we all want to have fun when we're driving. the LSD makes a fun car more fun. how much more fun? is that extra fun worth the extra expense? completely subjective.
I wouldn't say its a waste of money, just of questionable value. That is to say, you probably won't get much use out of it on the street. Any way you slice it, you've got an LSD though, so absolutely not a waste.

Same could be said about driving an M3, but to hell with value!
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IMO, it's an expensive option for someone who will never auto-x or track their car at all. For spirited drives, it's unnecessary, IMO. If you're driving 9/10ths on the street, your money will be better spent on lawyers If you ever plan on doing a HPDE, auto-x, or track day, it sure is nice, but you gotta consider the ROI on that kind of thing.
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