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      01-16-2014, 10:47 AM   #111
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I'm constantly surprised by the praise the ZF sport auto receives. I read so many positive comments about that transmission, but I just cannot wrap my head around it. Having driven a DCT and ZF8 (sport version) back-to-back on several occasions, I really cannot understand how people think they're so similar. It's not so much the speed of the shifts as it is the responsiveness of the input. When you hit the paddle, the DCT is more responsive. I think a lot of people are fooled by the rapid shift and the "kick" that it gives you. That's not the same as responsiveness. It's fine when you're going in a straight line, but it's a pain in the ass when you're trying to execute well-timed shifts.

Driving the ZF feels like gaming on an LCD TV with bad input lag. That would ruin this car for me.
what ZF8 cars have you driven? wondering if the software is different as several really glowing reviews in the UK of the M135i with sports auto.
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      01-16-2014, 11:24 AM   #112
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Just like my previous 135i

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      01-16-2014, 01:43 PM   #113
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what ZF8 cars have you driven? wondering if the software is different as several really glowing reviews in the UK of the M135i with sports auto.
We never got the M135i here I drove a 335i M-sport and a 640i Gran Coupe M-sport. Both at drive events, both loaded to the hilt. I drove the two pretty far apart, so I can't say if I felt much difference between these two ZF equipped cars, but I drove a 135i DCT at the same time as the 335i M-sport, and I could tell a definite difference.

Most of the programming differences will be related to the speed of the shift, not the input response. There's no reason to delay input response, even if you're going for a buttery smooth luxury shift. That would dictate that the shift itself should be slow.

It's hard to describe input lag, but what I noticed is that with the DCT, the shift started immediately as I pressed the paddle. With the ZF, the shift really started as I was releasing the paddle. We're talking about very, very small differences here, but small differences can make or break the feel of something. Try pausing mid-step as you're walking around. You'll notice that it breaks your whole rhythm. Ever been on a phone conversation with a lot of latency on the line, like a bad Skype call? It's unbearable. Human perception is tuned to very fine intervals when it comes to actions we take intuitively.

The ZF is, without question, the best sport-auto transmission I've ever experienced, but it's still has that fractional delay that drives me nuts. Granted, I owned one dual-clutch car and immediately went back to a manual. I can't shift as fast as a DCT, but when I press the clutch, the pedal moves with my foot. There is no delay. That is good handling, and that's what I demand from my car.

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      01-16-2014, 03:48 PM   #114
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Haha it's ok that's far from a rant. Interesting actually. I haven't had a go in a zf car either so interesting to hear people's feedback that isn't just "ooh autos are shit lol"
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      01-16-2014, 06:20 PM   #115
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More than $6000 more than my '11 128i for a 228i with the exact same equipment. And for that price I get a 4 turbo that sounds like a diesel and (probably) an uninspiring disconnected electric steering...

Pass, I'll pamper my 128i and keep it as long as I can (or wait to see how the 2015 Mustang GT will be like to drive, curious to see how weight, steering and handling will be)
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Is the orange reflector on the front fender a dot requirement in the US? Hard to believe this reflector is still adorned on the front fenders, just looks so dated.
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      01-16-2014, 06:31 PM   #117
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Is the orange reflector on the front fender a dot requirement in the US? Hard to believe this reflector is still adorned on the front fenders, just looks so dated.
It is, but it's so easy to get rid of them compared to the ones that are built into the headlight assemblies. For less than $100 you can get a pair of painted reflectors that replace the stock ones and it only takes 20 minutes to install.
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      01-16-2014, 06:35 PM   #118
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It is, but it's so easy to get rid of them compared to the ones that are built into the headlight assemblies. For less than $100 you can get a pair of painted reflectors that replace the stock ones and it only takes 20 minutes to install.
Probably the first mod on my recently ordered alpine white along with a different rear diffuser!
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Probably the first mod on my recently ordered alpine white along with a different rear diffuser!
It was the second mod when I got my F30. First was replacing the orange turn signal bulbs with the ones that have a silver tint to them, to get rid of that egg yolk look. So clean now

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      01-16-2014, 08:51 PM   #120
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Unless I am very much mistaken, opting for a/s removes the high-speed limiter. I'd look into that.
Discovered and asked this myself. You are correct STB!!!
What does that exactly do??
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Is the orange reflector on the front fender a dot requirement in the US? Hard to believe this reflector is still adorned on the front fenders, just looks so dated.
Yep, it's "technically" illegal at a federal level, and in many states' statutes as well. Tons of people ditch them and never get a ticket, but it's not unheard of to end up with a citation if you get pulled over for something else. If a cop is really bored, they can actually pull over you for it, but that rarely happens.
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What does that exactly do??
Most BMWs come with a top speed limiter. For example, on the original 135i, for cars configured without M-sport, the limiter was 130 MPH. With M-sport, it was bumped to 150 MPH.

I have no idea whether the claims in those posts are correct or incorrect though. It'd be pretty interesting if opting for all-season tires removed the top speed limiter altogether.
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I thought German cars were limited to 155mph anyway. They are in Europe although the limit can be removed through coding.
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What does that exactly do??
Most BMWs come with a top speed limiter. For example, on the original 135i, for cars configured without M-sport, the limiter was 130 MPH. With M-sport, it was bumped to 150 MPH.

I have no idea whether the claims in those posts are correct or incorrect though. It'd be pretty interesting if opting for all-season tires removed the top speed limiter altogether.
I think maybe because the all seasons might not be the correct speed rating.
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I think maybe because the all seasons might not be the correct speed rating.
Exactly. If the car comes on H rated tires, it will be limited to 130 mph. BMW also plays a funny game of limiting cars in steps. A 3er is usually limited to a true 151, a 5er to 153 and a 7er to 155 (give or take for km/h) so that there's no embarrassing issue of a "lesser" car passing the bigger car on the autobahn.

The only BMW's that are available with an optional 186 mph (300 kph) governor are the M5 and M6, although it wouldn't surprise me to see the F8x cars get a similar option.
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I think maybe because the all seasons might not be the correct speed rating.
Ok, that makes sense, but I'm still a little confused by the claim in that original post:

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Unless I am very much mistaken, opting for a/s removes the high-speed limiter. I'd look into that.
Isn't the option all-season versus summer tires, and wouldn't the summer tires have a higher speed rating? So, it would seem the opposite to me? Opting for all-seasons would require a lower speed limiter. Maybe I'm missing something.

At any rate, I can definitely see where tire selection would impact the speed limiter now.
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      01-17-2014, 11:10 AM   #128
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Looks like the configurator is now allowing us to spec a M235i without leather :-)
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Ok, that makes sense, but I'm still a little confused by the claim in that original post:



Isn't the option all-season versus summer tires, and wouldn't the summer tires have a higher speed rating? So, it would seem the opposite to me? Opting for all-seasons would require a lower speed limiter. Maybe I'm missing something.

At any rate, I can definitely see where tire selection would impact the speed limiter now.
The original post was written wrong (I was confused by that as well). If you go on the configurator you will see all seasons give you a 130 mph limit and Summer tires do not. It's clearly stated in the summary after you configure a car. The removal of the speed limiter is order option 840, and you cannot configure a car with that option without also adding option 2PG (Summer staggered tires)

My dealer screwed up my order and checked both all-seasons and runflats. Luckily I caught the error prior. I have a Feb 10th build date on mine.

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Does anybody know if the Instrument cluster with extended contents is standard or do we have to get the tech package to get it? If it's not standard, is it really worth it? That would be the only reason why i will get the tech package...
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Does anybody know if the Instrument cluster with extended contents is standard or do we have to get the tech package to get it? If it's not standard, is it really worth it? That would be the only reason why i will get the tech package...
It's not standard, it's part of the tech package. You don't really miss out on any significant functionality. I think it makes the cluster look 1000% better though, the base cluster with that tiny screen looks so tacky.

This is what the base cluster looks like in the F30 (similar to F20)

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It's not standard, it's part of the tech package. You don't really miss out on any significant functionality. I think it makes the cluster look 1000% better though, the base cluster with that tiny screen looks so tacky.

This is what the base cluster looks like in the F30 (similar to F20)

Yikes! I hadn't realized that's what it would look like...

Sort of bootleg...and I didn't get the tech package....
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