[Dylan86]

Originally Posted by Viffermike

Remember: the M2 does not have adaptive suspension -- to me, that one difference defines the intended purposes of both cars.

Exactly.

Strange that the M3/4's have adaptive suspension, though. Figured they would have ported that same tech over to the M2, but maybe it's a $$ thing, trying to keep M2's costs down? Just like no "M" mirrors on the M2...

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[stylinexpat]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

And just so I can feel better about my "slowly" M235 6MT , this is the best instrumented test of a M235 6MT thus far:

Zero to 60 mph: 4.6 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 11.2 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.5 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.4 sec @ 107 mph


Where the 6MT cars suffer the most is in 0-40mph performance. With an auto, you can build boost for the launch. With a manual, you can't. It's far easier to bog or roast the tires on launch with a 6MT. If all you care about are 1/4 mile time, then simply strap on a set of 8" wide slicks, rev up to 5000rpms, and do a quick clutch slip launch. The 6MT car will easily go upper 12s@108-109mph with added traction and ability to launch far harder to overcome the lack of an on-boost launch.

Just 2 MPH faster?? Need at least 118-122 MPH to be fast for 1/4 mile

[macagain]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

I'm still trying to choose between the M240 and 440 for my next car and this review did not make my decision any easier

I had the same dilemma... lease running out on my '14 435xi MSport.

here was my analysis, if it helps...

4 looks so much better (to me anyway)... it has real presence, the 2 looks a little too boy/girl racer.

You can get these toys on the 4, but not the 2:
- top and side cameras
- head up display (my favorite thing on my 4)
- the whole wave your foot to open the trunk thing (so useful when you walk out of the wine store with a case of wine)
- the seat belt arm

0-60 of 4.2 for the M240xi... nuff said.

You can pretty much outfit the 4 to the same level w/ MSport package, MPPSK, and track package. It'll be about 12k more than the 2. But residuals are higher on the 4, and there is higher loyalty and/or option allowance, so the monthly cost is only about 100-120 off, so not really material.

I went and test drove a M235i (since the 240 wasn't avail yet), and I have to say it felt a lot more fun than my 435. More "tossable", "nimbler", whatever... The cabin felt so like the 4, it was a non-factor.

In the end, I figured I was choosing more fun over prettier. And I kinda felt like I didn't want "the same" car again. So, I went with a M240xi. Hopefully there'll be a M440i when the new body comes out, or better a M650i...

Btw, I'd love a real M, but living in colorado, and hitting the slopes often, the x-drive was a must.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by macagain

I had the same dilemma... lease running out on my '14 435xi MSport.

here was my analysis, if it helps...

4 looks so much better (to me anyway)... it has real presence, the 2 looks a little too boy/girl racer.

You can get these toys on the 4, but not the 2:
- top and side cameras
- head up display (my favorite thing on my 4)
- the whole wave your foot to open the trunk thing (so useful when you walk out of the wine store with a case of wine)
- the seat belt arm

0-60 of 4.2 for the M240xi... nuff said.

You can pretty much outfit the 4 to the same level w/ MSport package, MPPSK, and track package. It'll be about 12k more than the 2. But residuals are higher on the 4, and there is higher loyalty and/or option allowance, so the monthly cost is only about 100-120 off, so not really material.

I went and test drove a M235i (since the 240 wasn't avail yet), and I have to say it felt a lot more fun than my 435. More "tossable", "nimbler", whatever... The cabin felt so like the 4, it was a non-factor.

In the end, I figured I was choosing more fun over prettier. And I kinda felt like I didn't want "the same" car again. So, I went with a M240xi. Hopefully there'll be a M440i when the new body comes out, or better a M650i...

Btw, I'd love a real M, but living in colorado, and hitting the slopes often, the x-drive was a must.

Nice!!

What do you think of the M240 so far?

[macagain]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

Nice!!

What do you think of the M240 so far?

It's not here yet... ordered it so I could get exactly what I want. October production, so hopefully sometime in Dec...

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by macagain

It's not here yet... ordered it so I could get exactly what I want. October production, so hopefully sometime in Dec...

Oh ok...Let me know what you think once it is delivered.

[unseen orko]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

Oh ok...Let me know what you think once it is delivered.

Mine went into production today.. M240i. As everyone says, the wait is not fun By the way, the one thing I am concerned about is if the upgraded HK system is any good in this M240i. My E90 330i had an unbelievable sound..the best if I recall. My Audi with B&O is on par...a bit more clear but I prefer HK bass. But my worry is that some folks here have said M235i was a shitty system and not really Logic7 HK and just 7 speakers etc..

I would appreciate if anyone has a M240i and have heard the sound and if there is any change from 235 on that front..

[Nahlem]

Originally Posted by unseen orko

Mine went into production today.. M240i. As everyone says, the wait is not fun By the way, the one thing I am concerned about is if the upgraded HK system is any good in this M240i. My E90 330i had an unbelievable sound..the best if I recall. My Audi with B&O is on par...a bit more clear but I prefer HK bass. But my worry is that some folks here have said M235i was a shitty system and not really Logic7 HK and just 7 speakers etc..

I would appreciate if anyone has a M240i and have heard the sound and if there is any change from 235 on that front..

As far as i am concerned or what i have read and heard there is no changes to the HK system in the m240i so don't expect to much from it. I was a bit disappointed in the m235i HK system but still better then what comes stock, It is just the price actually doesn't justify the sound quality you got from it.

[Viffermike]

Originally Posted by unseen orko

Mine went into production today.. M240i. As everyone says, the wait is not fun By the way, the one thing I am concerned about is if the upgraded HK system is any good in this M240i. My E90 330i had an unbelievable sound..the best if I recall. My Audi with B&O is on par...a bit more clear but I prefer HK bass. But my worry is that some folks here have said M235i was a shitty system and not really Logic7 HK and just 7 speakers etc..

I would appreciate if anyone has a M240i and have heard the sound and if there is any change from 235 on that front..

Read some of the posts in this subforum about the HK. There are substantial differences between the one in the 2 Series and higher-line BMWs, to the point where BMW was sued when the 2 Series was first released. In addition to that, forum members have only recently discovered, thanks to an aftermarket replacement harness that eliminated the ASD (artificial engine sound) system in 2 Series cars, that BMW incorrectly wired the driver's side rear speakers -- and, intermittently, all three speaker sets on the left side -- in pre-2017 2 Series cars so that the speakers were out of phase.

All that said, there is mounting evidence that 2017 2 Series cars -- particularly the HK in the M2, which is all but identical in form and function to the HK in all other 2 Series cars -- have many of those issues resolved. We don't yet know how; it could be the wiring issue is fixed, or a less-intrusive ASD, or upgraded hardware and/or software. But in any case, upgrading the 2 Series HK is fairly easy and relatively inexpensive.