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      03-09-2014, 04:29 PM   #45
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Another review here
Nice to see a review of a manual 235, even if the reviewer says the car has "two turbos" . I know it's hard to keep track of every detail but...

And, YES, I need an M2.
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I think it's a decent review and an amazing car. Hope I can drive it soon!
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Nice to see a review of a manual 235, even if the reviewer says the car has "two turbos" . I know it's hard to keep track of every detail but...

And, YES, I need an M2.
+1 Agreed! Love the M235i (can't wait to drive one) and looking forward to the M2. These are the cars BMW does best!
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Awesome car but somehow another reminder that I just want a regular ol' 235i dang it!
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Another review here
Nice to see a review of a manual 235, even if the reviewer says the car has "two turbos" . I know it's hard to keep track of every detail but...

And, YES, I need an M2.
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The m325i is a great car. The only good thing about that hideous orange color of the 1M that we all hold dearly to our hearts is that it reminds me of this song
Ugh, imagine a 1m in Interlagos Blue or Imola Red.
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They laid down some great numbers. Goes to show that 0-60 was underrated from BMW, like most of their claims. I'm shocked how well it held it's own without the LSD.

The comments are blasting it a good amount. I couldn't be happier with mine.
Seriously people were hating on this car so much and this review should shut them up for a little. And remember it is 43k, not bad for throwing down those numbers! BMW for the win
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I'm a Huge 1M Coupe Fan but some of these fanboys needs to take a chill pill...

No one is actually saying the m235i is 'better' and an actually replacement for the 1M...

People who feel threatened that their 1 Series are going to be 'overshadowed' by the 2 series needs to grow some balls.

The most Arrogant statement One can make is NOT the fact that the 2Series will be an improvement on a 5-6 year old Model... The most arrogant/ignorant statement will be trying to assert that the 1series is superior to the 2Series when the 2Series was developed by BMW to succeed the 1series... + I mean the 2Series is hardly even out and people are getting their panties up in their croutches...

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I drove this car for about an hour in 2 different occasions and my experience was complete opposite of this review. I don't know what the hype is really but the steering was really numb, exhaust note (or lack of it) was very quiet, and the car really didn't feel "M". It was fast, but not "M" fast. Maybe that's what they wanted to do in the first place.

I'm coming from an M3/M5, so my opinion is based on those cars. There is a night and day difference between my 2010 M3 and M235i or the new M5.
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I believe it is available on the 228, so no saving there if they wanted to associate it with the highend ones
But not on an M sport 228 I don't think...
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I drove this car for about an hour in 2 different occasions and my experience was complete opposite of this review. I don't know what the hype is really but the steering was really numb, exhaust note (or lack of it) was very quiet, and the car really didn't feel "M". It was fast, but not "M" fast. Maybe that's what they wanted to do in the first place.

I'm coming from an M3/M5, so my opinion is based on those cars. There is a night and day difference between my 2010 M3 and M235i or the new M5.
That's pretty much the point of this, or any other M-performance model. It is supposed to feel M-ish, without going all the way.

The steering feel should also feel different - there is a different system in place on the M235 compared to your M3…not sure if hydraulic is used in the M5 or not…

It's also just a hair slower to 60 and in the quarter mile compared to your M3, despite being down nearly 100 BHP. Just sayin.
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I drove this car for about an hour in 2 different occasions and my experience was complete opposite of this review. I don't know what the hype is really but the steering was really numb, exhaust note (or lack of it) was very quiet, and the car really didn't feel "M". It was fast, but not "M" fast. Maybe that's what they wanted to do in the first place.

I'm coming from an M3/M5, so my opinion is based on those cars. There is a night and day difference between my 2010 M3 and M235i or the new M5.
I'm beginning to think that the idea of a BMW 'purist' has been lost in badge mongering. The M235i is a brilliant car, with no competition at its price point. Yet, the constant droll of 'it's not a real M', 'buyers will get confused', etc. Seems to be only coming from the BMW community. More specifically, from badge whores that claim they aren't.

What a load of crap this is. The only people that need a 'true' M version of this car should meet the following criteria:

1. You belong to a track club.
2. You actually take advantage of open track days.

Outside of that, the M235 is not only a brilliant daily driver, but also one helluva weekend car. It fully deserves the badge. It's better than a vanilla series car, but not quite the penis treatment most 'M' buyers demand. I.e., it's not the most expensive car in the segment.

For those of you that will give an M2 the driving it deserves, I apologize. For those of you looking to lease an M2 to do donuts in the mall parking lot, stfu.
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I'm beginning to think that the idea of a BMW 'purist' has been lost in badge mongering. The M235i is a brilliant car, with no competition at its price point. Yet, the constant droll of 'it's not a real M', 'buyers will get confused', etc. Seems to be only coming from the BMW community. More specifically, from badge whores that claim they aren't.

What a load of crap this is. The only people that need a 'true' M version of this car should meet the following criteria:

1. You belong to a track club.
2. You actually take advantage of open track days.

Outside of that, the M235 is not only a brilliant daily driver, but also one helluva weekend car. It fully deserves the badge. It's better than a vanilla series car, but not quite the penis treatment most 'M' buyers demand. I.e., it's not the most expensive car in the segment.

For those of you that will give an M2 the driving it deserves, I apologize. For those of you looking to lease an M2 to do donuts in the mall parking lot, stfu.
Agreed with everything you said. I'm not sure why the complaints about the M 235i not being a real "M" since it's not called an M2. BMW never claimed that it's an M2 and I don't think anyone else thinks of it as an M2 (or a full blown M car), hence the designation ///M 235i.

What I also don't understand is why those people even bothered to test drive it in the first place. Was it just so that they could crap on the car? M or not it's one hell of a car and IMO it fills the space between a regular version and the M2 quite nicely (if it ever comes out). Of course to each his own. I'm just stating my opinion since everyone else is voicing theirs.
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I'm beginning to think that the idea of a BMW 'purist' has been lost in badge mongering. The M235i is a brilliant car, with no competition at its price point. Yet, the constant droll of 'it's not a real M', 'buyers will get confused', etc. Seems to be only coming from the BMW community. More specifically, from badge whores that claim they aren't.

What a load of crap this is. The only people that need a 'true' M version of this car should meet the following criteria:

1. You belong to a track club.
2. You actually take advantage of open track days.

Outside of that, the M235 is not only a brilliant daily driver, but also one helluva weekend car. It fully deserves the badge. It's better than a vanilla series car, but not quite the penis treatment most 'M' buyers demand. I.e., it's not the most expensive car in the segment.

For those of you that will give an M2 the driving it deserves, I apologize. For those of you looking to lease an M2 to do donuts in the mall parking lot, stfu.
I never track my cars.

The steering in M235i is extremely numb. I'd say it's somewhat stiffer than a 328, but not as good as a 335. It's electrical all the way and it's very obvious that it's electrical. There is an obvious lag that you feel driving the car, it just does not feel natural. If the new M3/M4 has the same steering, I'm going to say the same thing. My M3 and M5 do not have this, they are both hydraulic.

Other than that, this car has the 5 year old N55 in it, nothing new really. It's a powerful engine - but it doesn't feel extraordinary. Is it a great car? Sure it is, but who is it for? Probably for people who can't afford a 120k M6 or a 80k M4. The interior also does not feel luxurious. Not enough leather and a lot of cheap plastic. Small screen and so on.

What I'm trying to say is, BMW charges a hefty price tag for a car that's really a bins car. There is nothing special about it, it's all expected. N55 from 335, EPS from 335, etc, yes it will obviously be fast on paper, but does it feel like that raw hard BMW Sports car? It does not. People who buy this car are the kind of people who want to say they are driving a BMW that is fast, you are basically buying the brand name at a discount and you are paying the price for it.

I will also say that I'd take the E46 M3 any day over this car, no matter what the numbers say on paper.
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Agreed with everything you said. I'm not sure why the complaints about the M 235i not being a real "M" since it's not called an M2. BMW never claimed that it's an M2 and I don't think anyone else thinks of it as an M2 (or a full blown M car), hence the designation ///M 235i.

What I also don't understand is why those people even bothered to test drive it in the first place. Was it just so that they could crap on the car? M or not it's one hell of a car and IMO it fills the space between a regular version and the M2 quite nicely (if it ever comes out). Of course to each his own. I'm just stating my opinion since everyone else is voicing theirs.
I test drove it because my dealerships calls me first every time they get a new car in their lot. I buy a lot of M cars from them and therefore people value my opinion.

I wouldn't buy this car at its current price point. It is not cheap at all. You can buy a used 2009 M3 LCI for the same price with decent mileage. I'd take that car over this any day.
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I never track my cars.

The steering in M235i is extremely numb. I'd say it's somewhat stiffer than a 328, but not as good as a 335. It's electrical all the way and it's very obvious that it's electrical. There is an obvious lag that you feel driving the car, it just does not feel natural. If the new M3/M4 has the same steering, I'm going to say the same thing. My M3 and M5 do not have this, they are both hydraulic.

Other than that, this car has the 5 year old N55 in it, nothing new really. It's a powerful engine - but it doesn't feel extraordinary. Is it a great car? Sure it is, but who is it for? Probably for people who can't afford a 120k M6 or a 80k M4. The interior also does not feel luxurious. Not enough leather and a lot of cheap plastic. Small screen and so on.

What I'm trying to say is, BMW charges a hefty price tag for a car that's really a bins car. There is nothing special about it, it's all expected. N55 from 335, EPS from 335, etc, yes it will obviously be fast on paper, but does it feel like that raw hard BMW Sports car? It does not. People who buy this car are the kind of people who want to say they are driving a BMW that is fast, you are basically buying the brand name at a discount and you are paying the price for it.

I will also say that I'd take the E46 M3 any day over this car, no matter what the numbers say on paper.

And you follow my post with this tripe? You are exactly the kind of person I am talking about. Someone that says 'this car is because you can't afford M blah or M blah'. Or better yet, completely misses that the e9x was the last generation fitted with hydraulic steering. But fuck it, let me continue, because you capstone your post with 'I'd take an e46 over this anyday'. How brave. You and every 'purist'....

Let me list my pedigree. I don't set it as my quote for every post because that's what douchebags do, but I'll meet you in the middle-

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Frankly, I stepped out of my 'purist' car and was amazed at what BMW had done with the lowly M235. While I love my Ms, and thoroughly abuse them on open track days, I realized just how brilliant the M235 is. At its price, there is no equal. I expect any comparisons to be looking upmarket for competition. But I'm not insecure enough to come into this forum and whine about how 'inferior' the M235 is to the M brand. It isn't. It fits right where it is. Anyone buying this car, IMO, is getting a great M experience at a bargain price.

But then again, you'd have no idea what the point of an M car is since you don't track your cars. So what do you do with them? Daily commute with the occasional WOT while you pass someone that just will not get out of the left lane? Yes, you are exactly what the M brand has become. A joke.
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I test drove it because my dealerships calls me first every time they get a new car in their lot. I buy a lot of M cars from them and therefore people value my opinion.

I wouldn't buy this car at its current price point. It is not cheap at all. You can buy a used 2009 M3 LCI for the same price with decent mileage. I'd take that car over this any day.
Oh, I highly value your opinion because your dealership calls you the minute they have a new car in. Sounds like they have you listed on their call roster as 'sucker'.

Here's what my dealership does. They don't call me for every new model they have. They call me for any M model they have. Reluctantly, I came in for an M235 drive. And somehow, I walked away recognizing what a great car this is for the M brand. Anyone denigrating how good this car is for BMW, and the people purchasing them, needs to get a life.

PS. I doubt you 'buy lots of M cars'. You stink of a leasee...

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I'm a Huge 1M Coupe Fan but some of these fanboys needs to take a chill pill...

No one is actually saying the m235i is 'better' and an actually replacement for the 1M...

People who feel threatened that their 1 Series are going to be 'overshadowed' by the 2 series needs to grow some balls.

The most Arrogant statement One can make is NOT the fact that the 2Series will be an improvement on a 5-6 year old Model... The most arrogant/ignorant statement will be trying to assert that the 1series is superior to the 2Series when the 2Series was developed by BMW to succeed the 1series... + I mean the 2Series is hardly even out and people are getting their panties up in their croutches...

No one is threatened by the newer cars being better, on the contrary, it is the desire that they make them better that want to keep things real without bringing "balls" into it. Usually the guys that bring in sexual orientation or balls are the ones themselves that are having an issue.

I personally want the M235i to be better than the 1M and the M2 to be better than that but they are also comparing two cars and making them sound like the 1M is irrelevant now. If you prefer cushy digitally enhanced sound and auto transmission, then this is a better car. It also has better aerodynamics and probably better handling due to longer wheelbase than 1M. It also is has more legroom in the rear but to the way your ignorant comment about Nurburging is like saying a V6 Camry is faster around the Nurburgring than the first M3. It might be...who knows but does it mean that it's better? The M235 is a fine car if they just stop comparing it to the 1M or if they are going to do that then they need to give you the whole picture about the full-lock, diff, serious brakes, crazy sound and it takes "balls" to drive one on the edge.
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And you follow my post with this tripe? You are exactly the kind of person I am talking about. Someone that says 'this car is because you can't afford M blah or M blah'. Or better yet, completely misses that the e9x was the last generation fitted with hydraulic steering. But fuck it, let me continue, because you capstone your post with 'I'd take an e46 over this anyday'. How brave. You and every 'purist'....

Let me list my pedigree. I don't set it as my quote for every post because that's what douchebags do, but I'll meet you in the middle-

E36 M3
E46 M3
E90 M3
F???

Frankly, I stepped out of my 'purist' car and was amazed at what BMW had done with the lowly M235. While I love my Ms, and thoroughly abuse them on open track days, I realized just how brilliant the M235 is. At its price, there is no equal. I expect any comparisons to be looking upmarket for competition. But I'm not insecure enough to come into this forum and whine about how 'inferior' the M235 is to the M brand. It isn't. It fits right where it is. Anyone buying this car, IMO, is getting a great M experience at a bargain price.

But then again, you'd have no idea what the point of an M car is since you don't track your cars. So what do you do with them? Daily commute with the occasional WOT while you pass someone that just will not get out of the left lane? Yes, you are exactly what the M brand has become. A joke.
At this price point, you can afford a E92 M3 and then some (several sets of tires or other mods) or better yet, take a E46 and save even more money.

I wish M235i was a 20k car, but it's not. It's twice of that. And that's exactly why I have a problem with it. You can get a nice 09 M3 for 35k.
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So you want to compare an 09 with a 14, and say you wish the brand new german car with some pretty damn good performance was 20k. This helps your argument how? We all wish that were possible.

You seem to want a brand new car priced at it's 5 year old price with a bunch more miles. But while it's new. Why? Because it's performance is a bit less than the brand new version of your much more expensive car?

Yeah, seems reasonable.
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And you follow my post with this tripe? You are exactly the kind of person I am talking about. Someone that says 'this car is because you can't afford M blah or M blah'. Or better yet, completely misses that the e9x was the last generation fitted with hydraulic steering. But fuck it, let me continue, because you capstone your post with 'I'd take an e46 over this anyday'. How brave. You and every 'purist'....

Let me list my pedigree. I don't set it as my quote for every post because that's what douchebags do, but I'll meet you in the middle-

E36 M3
E46 M3
E90 M3
F???

Frankly, I stepped out of my 'purist' car and was amazed at what BMW had done with the lowly M235. While I love my Ms, and thoroughly abuse them on open track days, I realized just how brilliant the M235 is. At its price, there is no equal. I expect any comparisons to be looking upmarket for competition. But I'm not insecure enough to come into this forum and whine about how 'inferior' the M235 is to the M brand. It isn't. It fits right where it is. Anyone buying this car, IMO, is getting a great M experience at a bargain price.

But then again, you'd have no idea what the point of an M car is since you don't track your cars. So what do you do with them? Daily commute with the occasional WOT while you pass someone that just will not get out of the left lane? Yes, you are exactly what the M brand has become. A joke.
At this price point, you can afford a E92 M3 and then some (several sets of tires or other mods) or better yet, take a E46 and save even more money.

I wish M235i was a 20k car, but it's not. It's twice of that. And that's exactly why I have a problem with it. You can get a nice 09 M3 for 35k.
Some people would like a full warranty and free maintenance... Just sayin'...
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And you follow my post with this tripe? You are exactly the kind of person I am talking about. Someone that says 'this car is because you can't afford M blah or M blah'. Or better yet, completely misses that the e9x was the last generation fitted with hydraulic steering. But fuck it, let me continue, because you capstone your post with 'I'd take an e46 over this anyday'. How brave. You and every 'purist'....

Let me list my pedigree. I don't set it as my quote for every post because that's what douchebags do, but I'll meet you in the middle-

E36 M3
E46 M3
E90 M3
F???

Frankly, I stepped out of my 'purist' car and was amazed at what BMW had done with the lowly M235. While I love my Ms, and thoroughly abuse them on open track days, I realized just how brilliant the M235 is. At its price, there is no equal. I expect any comparisons to be looking upmarket for competition. But I'm not insecure enough to come into this forum and whine about how 'inferior' the M235 is to the M brand. It isn't. It fits right where it is. Anyone buying this car, IMO, is getting a great M experience at a bargain price.

But then again, you'd have no idea what the point of an M car is since you don't track your cars. So what do you do with them? Daily commute with the occasional WOT while you pass someone that just will not get out of the left lane? Yes, you are exactly what the M brand has become. A joke.
At this price point, you can afford a E92 M3 and then some (several sets of tires or other mods) or better yet, take a E46 and save even more money.

I wish M235i was a 20k car, but it's not. It's twice of that. And that's exactly why I have a problem with it. You can get a nice 09 M3 for 35k.
An 09 m3 for 35k is going to be a high mileage car...

I can't afford a new m4 and that's okay. Nor can I afford a pre owned 997 turbo, the list goes on...

This is a great car at a great price point. I drove one and felt the steering was a massive improvement over the f30.

Bottom line: don't bash this car because you feel it's watering down the M brand that you/we all love so much. That's a foolish insecurity.

True enthusiasts know this isn't a real M car, but that certainly doesn't mean it's not a damn good car.

If you weren't impressed, that's okay too, but I think you are probably in the minority.
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