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      05-17-2016, 12:56 AM   #45
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I wonder when the b58's are going to stop having teething problems.
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I really don't get why the name change?? These new models are getting to be crazy with their numbering. What's next 245? 250 and so on. It used to make sense when the last 2 numbers matched engine displacement but nowadays there is no rhyme or reason to BMW model designation. Based on tradition the M235 should have been M230. So who cares if the engines change and make more power. For now I like my M235 as the numbering has some feel of great BMWs of the past such as 535 or the 635!!
Because, larger # = more money
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I really don't get why the name change?? These new models are getting to be crazy with their numbering. What's next 245? 250 and so on. It used to make sense when the last 2 numbers matched engine displacement but nowadays there is no rhyme or reason to BMW model designation. Based on tradition the M235 should have been M230. So who cares if the engines change and make more power. For now I like my M235 as the numbering has some feel of great BMWs of the past such as 535 or the 635!!
Nothing new, they changed the model naming convention when the n54 came out 9yrs ago. The idea behind it was the displacement didn't matter anymore, because it's forced induction. Truth be told, I'm not a fan of the numbers game either.
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I really don't get why the name change?? These new models are getting to be crazy with their numbering. What's next 245? 250 and so on. It used to make sense when the last 2 numbers matched engine displacement but nowadays there is no rhyme or reason to BMW model designation. Based on tradition the M235 should have been M230. So who cares if the engines change and make more power. For now I like my M235 as the numbering has some feel of great BMWs of the past such as 535 or the 635!!
Because, larger # = more money
Well in that case I want an M2002!! Lol
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      05-17-2016, 01:32 AM   #49
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This is interesting, I wonder how tuning will be for the new B58 in comparison to the N55 that's been around longer... I'm sure it'll follow the same struggles any new engine does on the market, at first.
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Well looks like I found my next car come June of next year. M2 priced itself out of my desired budget for the Time being.
me too. I'm excited (again).
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      05-17-2016, 03:37 AM   #51
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Massive downer for me is that BMW has continued with the crazy practice of mounting the VANOS units and cam timing chain at the REAR of the engine. Even the oil filter assembly is inaccessible to the rear. So a job like replacing the VANOS solenoids will require full engine removal! See here:

http://youwheel.com/home/2016/03/27/...linder-engine/
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I really don't get why the name change?? These new models are getting to be crazy with their numbering. What's next 245? 250 and so on. It used to make sense when the last 2 numbers matched engine displacement but nowadays there is no rhyme or reason to BMW model designation. Based on tradition the M235 should have been M230. So who cares if the engines change and make more power. For now I like my M235 as the numbering has some feel of great BMWs of the past such as 535 or the 635!!
I see lots of people complaining about this, I see no one coming up with a better idea.

These are three different cars:

220d, 220d, 220d.

Which makes the most power, which is likely the most expensive, which one might be the quickest, which one might be the most economical?

Tough to guess, right.

Now try it with these:

225d, 218d, 220d.

?

The numbering system is fine, it used to be the capacity that made the difference, now it isn't, how would they best communicate the differences now without completely changing the naming structure?
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is that the same B46 that you can find in the MINI COOPER S?
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That's a lot of power for such a small body...def mod friendly, some M2 owners aren't gonna be happy!
Amazing rear fenders and M chassis...or...more torque (without overboost), sunroof, and actually being able to buy the car?
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Well unless you track it the M2 feels a bit surplus to a tuned M240i X drive?
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Damn! 0-60 in 4.2.. Why wait for an M2 when the M235i is praised for its handling also..What in the world is BMW doing to them selves..There has always been a gap in performance with each model..The models are falling on top of each other with these stats.:
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This is interesting, I wonder how tuning will be for the new B58 in comparison to the N55 that's been around longer... I'm sure it'll follow the same struggles any new engine does on the market, at first.
Check out the other forum, there is plenty of info from Terry regarding JB4 on his 340i with the b58
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This car will be fantastic. The B58 is a wonderful engine and if you don't care about the track goodies the M2 has the M240 seems to have a superior power plant. As mentioned a conservative map 1 JB4 is putting down wicked power for just a tune.
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People are still upset about the model designation not matching displacement?....

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I really don't get why the name change?? These new models are getting to be crazy with their numbering. What's next 245? 250 and so on. It used to make sense when the last 2 numbers matched engine displacement but nowadays there is no rhyme or reason to BMW model designation. Based on tradition the M235 should have been M230. So who cares if the engines change and make more power. For now I like my M235 as the numbering has some feel of great BMWs of the past such as 535 or the 635!!
Because, larger # = more money
Well in that case I want an M2002!! Lol
I'd be fine with 240tii or (even better!) 240is over M240i !
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Amazing rear fenders and M chassis...or...more torque (without overboost), sunroof, and actually being able to buy the car?
And available xdrive and a significantly lower price, m240 is looking pretty good come LCI.
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Any word on if a manual will be optional on the xdrive version?
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That will never happen...
That would be tragic.

Not offering the combination of xDrive and manual transmission in the USA is a BIG marketing mistake. Just look how popular the old 3-series models were with this combination, and how popular manual transmissions are in Europe. Many more people would buy manuals here too if dealers had them in stock on their lots.

A major reason that many of us starting buying BMWs in the first place was the universal availability of a manual transmission.

BMW North America please support your loyal customer base!
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So no LCI until next year like the 1 series did?
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something i dont understand, if those power figures are roughly the same as the M2, then why the hell did bmw make an M2 in the first place?
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m240 sounds very nice. will look at it when my lease is up.
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something i dont understand, if those power figures are roughly the same as the M2, then why the hell did bmw make an M2 in the first place?
M240i is still a very, very different car than the M2. I don't really understand why some people are worried, although a lot of people tend to get it.

It's not abiut numbers. It's about character and DNA.

The M2 still fills it's role, and I'm happy that people can get a great car in the M240i without waiting 2 years.

Win win for everyone! Well done BMW.
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