[sstarrx3]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

Here's the difference (and cheers to different tastes!)...but they are both real leather...so pick your preference if you like graining or not on leather. Graining has usually conveyed a more refined leather, as it's a process which adds cost and raises price (usually). Hub styling is the major aesthetic difference...also a matter of taste. Honestly, neither one rises to "amazing" for me...they are both "ok", but it's just which feels better to your hands.

Its a mattet of taste. I am with you...I prefer the non M wheel and was a requirement for any 2er I was going to purchase when I was looking to buy. The M wheel looks like an old Mustang wheel from the 70s to me. Frankly I like the wheels in Audis much better.

[den525]

If money is not an issue its a no brainer m235 any day of the week. For $5k you get a much better engine, it's over 1 second faster. No tune will get you that.

If you're thinking of jb4 already? Why the 228?

In the U.S. The price difference is so small 5-10k why would you buy the 228?

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by den525

If money is not an issue its a no brainer m235 any day of the week. For $5k you get a much better engine, it's over 1 second faster. No tune will get you that.

If you're thinking of jb4 already? Why the 228?

In the U.S. The price difference is so small 5-10k why would you buy the 228?

• Better/more neutral handling from better weight balance, which for some, is more entertaining than 1 second faster.
• Better fuel economy
• Even if we can afford it, thousands of dollars can be better spent elsewhere for the relatively small difference (1 second doesn't mean much to some of us) in daily use.

[sstarrx3]

Originally Posted by den525

If money is not an issue its a no brainer m235 any day of the week. For $5k you get a much better engine, it's over 1 second faster. No tune will get you that.

If you're thinking of jb4 already? Why the 228?

In the U.S. The price difference is so small 5-10k why would you buy the 228?

Car and driver was not able to duplicate that one second faster claim. They got 4.9 with the 228i and 4.4 with the 235i...like I said unless you are racing, 0.5 seconds will not be noticed.

[den525]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

• Better/more neutral handling from better weight balance, which for some, is more entertaining than 1 second faster.
• Better fuel economy
• Even if we can afford it, thousands of dollars can be better spent elsewhere for the relatively small difference (1 second doesn't mean much to some of us) in daily use.

"better/more neutral handling from better weight balance? That a load of BS. I'm sorry, that is just not true. I'm unsure why there's a small percentage of posters here who thinks that.

Better fuel economy that's a given, considering one of producing less power.

And yes. To some power and 0-62 times don't mean much. But obviously the poster already asking to get JB4 means he wants something sporty.

Ps. I don't think 1 second is a "relatively small difference". Each to their own really.

Anyways, my view is $5-10k difference is nothing, whether you are paying all upfront or lease or loan. Lease or loan would make the difference basically non-existent. An extra 2-3 coffees a week?

[den525]

Originally Posted by sstarrx3

Car and driver was not able to duplicate that one second faster claim. They got 4.9 with the 228i and 4.4 with the 235i...like I said unless you are racing, 0.5 seconds will not be noticed.

You don't need magazines to tell you the time difference. Drive both cars and the difference is rather big. The way power is delivered, whether you're flooring it or daily driving. The 3l engine's advantages over the 2l engine is enormous.

If you can't tell the difference between the 2 engines, then yes you made a good choice in the 228. But unfortunately others can.

I've already said my piece elsewhere, I don't believe the 2l engine is that good at all. I'd pick the Mercedes, Audi/VW 2l over the BMW any day of the week. The BMW 2l version of the 2 series wasn't even in my consideration after driving it.

[sstarrx3]

"better/more neutral handling from better weight balance? That a load of BS. I'm sorry, that is just not true. I'm unsure why there's a small percentage of posters here who thinks that.

Maybe...but there have been magazine reviews that have stated this very thing. If you prescribe to that sorta thing. No way there is a second between the two in 0-60 real world. Where the 235i will shine is 60-100.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by den525

"better/more neutral handling from better weight balance? That a load of BS. I'm sorry, that is just not true. I'm unsure why there's a small percentage of posters here who thinks that.


Anyways, my view is $5-10k difference is nothing, whether you are paying all upfront or lease or loan. Lease or loan would make the difference basically non-existent. An extra 2-3 coffees a week?

Sorry, fact. 50/50 vs 52/48 distributions, per BMW website for manual transmission models of 228i and M235i, respectively. Whether one is sensitive to it is another matter. The resulting difference in feeling has been noted by a variety of reviewers. But, just as 1 second is not critical to me, the difference in feeling may not matter to others.

Wow! I don't know what kind of coffee you drink but $5,000 represents a 16% increase on a 228i base price ($32,100) and can be a few months mortgage for some here.

[sstarrx3]

I've already said my piece elsewhere, I don't believe the 2l engine is that good at all. I'd pick the Mercedes, Audi/VW 2l over the BMW any day of the week. The BMW 2l version of the 2 series wasn't even in my consideration after driving it.

You just lost all credibilty with this statement. The. 228i out performs all of these engines in every way
This sounds like a troll statement really.

[midwest 340xi 6sp]

Originally Posted by Dan GSR

I LOVE the estoril blue, but to get that color in the 228 is an extra $3500 because of mandatory msport package

a 228 optioned the way i want is $5,500 less than a 235 the way I'd want it

question is, would a JB4 228i satisfy me? I feel like the optioned out 228 is the best option

How can anyone possibly answer that question?

Have you driven either car yet? Thats going to help your decision a hell of a lot more than anyones opinion here.

All your getting with this thread is the historically typical 228/235 debate...

Drive em both and let us know what YOU THINK is best for YOU

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by den525

If you can't tell the difference between the 2 engines, then yes you made a good choice in the 228. But unfortunately others can.

We can tell. It's just that it's not enough to make that much difference and not worth the costs for some. Perhaps we drive in different environments that change the value of the larger engine.

[Dan GSR]

i test drove an automatic 228i xdrive and an automatic 235i xdrive
the 228 felt slower than my gf 2015 328i xdrive, Im guessing because it wasn't broken in

[den525]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

Sorry, fact. 50/50 vs 52/48 distributions, per BMW website for manual transmission models of 228i and M235i, respectively. Whether one is sensitive to it is another matter. The resulting difference in feeling has been noted by a variety of reviewers. But, just as 1 second is not critical to me, the difference in feeling may not matter to others.

Wow! I don't know what kind of coffee you drink but $5,000 represents a 16% increase on a 228i base price ($32,100) and can be a few months mortgage for some here.

Well 50/50 vs 52/48 and 5.7 seconds vs 4.8 seconds. Facts vs facts.

Each to their own. But having driven both I know which one I like more.

As for the $5000 difference. It depends how you're paying it off. In Australia most loans are 5 years. 5000 over 5 years is $20 extra a week. It's a couple of coffees a week.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by den525

Well 50/50 vs 52/48 and 5.7 seconds vs 4.8 seconds. Facts vs facts.

Each to their own. But having driven both I know which one I like more.

As for the $5000 difference. It depends how you're paying it off. In Australia most loans are 5 years. 5000 over 5 years is $20 extra a week. It's a couple of coffees a week.

Agree....and great to have all good choices for different preferences!

I bought it outright, so it was a one-time decision and impact. But, depending on one's age, it's about a third of a permitted annual tax-free retirement plan contribution here. Each to their own financial planning as well!

[den525]

Originally Posted by sstarrx3

I've already said my piece elsewhere, I don't believe the 2l engine is that good at all. I'd pick the Mercedes, Audi/VW 2l over the BMW any day of the week. The BMW 2l version of the 2 series wasn't even in my consideration after driving it.

You just lost all credibilty with this statement. The. 228i out performs all of these engines in every way
This sounds like a troll statement really.

How does the 228 engine out perform it's rivals? The BMW 228i spec'd to the S3 standard equipment is the same price.

How does the 228i engine outperform the S3 engine?

BMW 180KW 350nm 131.8 w/kg (power to weigh ratio)
Audi 210KW 380nm 139.5 w/kg

0-62. BMW 5.7 seconds Audi 5 seconds.

Don't know in which aspect the BMW outperforms the Audi.

Mind you the S3 is NOT even a 228 rival is a M235i rival but 228 price.

And you call me a troll? No offence, yes this is a BMW forum, but BS is BS.

[josem235i]

m235i!!!!

[sstarrx3]

Originally Posted by den525

How does the 228 engine out perform it's rivals? The BMW 228i spec'd to the S3 standard equipment is the same price.

How does the 228i engine outperform the S3 engine?

BMW 180KW 350nm 131.8 w/kg (power to weigh ratio)
Audi 210KW 380nm 139.5 w/kg

0-62. BMW 5.7 seconds Audi 5 seconds.

Don't know in which aspect the BMW outperforms the Audi.

Mind you the S3 is NOT even a 228 rival is a M235i rival but 228 price.

And you call me a troll? No offence, yes this is a BMW forum, but BS is BS.

Ok...the issue here is your point of reference...so I apologize for the troll statement. My 228i cost me 36,000 with premium and Tech packages. In the US the S3 is in the M235i class and the A3 is in the 228i class. My statement still holds true for the US. The 228i blows away every car in it price class.

[sstarrx3]

There are you tube videos clearly showing the 228i beating the S3 because the S3 has bad turbo lag...but results may vary. I have personally clocked a 5.0 0-60 on my base.

[Dattebayo]

I personally went with the 228i with M-sport and Track Package in 6MT and coming from a Chrysler 300, the car is plenty fast enough for me on the street. I actually went with almost your exact combination. Esotori Blue with Coral Red leather, but with gloss black and white crosshatch interior.

[BarryJI]

Tuned, my 228i M Sport (very similar to the one above) is as fast from 0-60 as a stock M235i, possibly a little faster, and it cruises at 100 mph at about 4k rpm. I'm sure the V6 M235i is quicker to 100 mph and over the quarter mile, but for street driving, a 228i with the Track Handling Package and a tune is virtually the equivalent of the M235 but about $10k cheaper. They are both fantastic cars.

[Kiwi]

M235i is not a V6 it's a straight 6

[Steven1077]

Fuel consumption it not that much different in the real world, yes the 228i is fast enough and not far behind the 235i but as already mentioned it the way the 235i puts the power down that makes a difference, it just pulls better throughout the rev range, and as for the balance who's going to notice the difference between 50/50 and 52/48 on the road? There's only one reason you'd buy the 228i and clearly that's the price, both great car's but you get what you pay for, I can understand looking at both as I did the same thing, luckily they sell the M135i here so I had the option of the M235i performance at the 228i price even if it’s not as pretty, but I seriously thought about a 228i