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      11-02-2013, 12:28 AM   #45
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My old RWD F30 335i (M Sport) had quite a bit of body roll as well. Of course, I just had the standard Sport/M Sport suspension. The M Performance suspension was the only M Performance upgrade I neglected to install. Should've made that my first priority.

If excessive body roll does indeed present itself as an issue on the new M235i (jury's out until we actually get some seat time in it), it should be fairly easy to rectify. It's kind of puzzling to me that this characteristic has crept its way into a few of the standard, non-M models as of late.
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Oh yeah and your xDrive E90's are stiff and don't have any body roll, huh. I like how everyone judges car's handling capabalities by watching a short PR video.
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This debate reflects the difference between an ///M car and an ///M performance car.

Personally I think they should have used a different letter like S or called it M Sport.

///S235i

That would be a good designation. It's Sport but not Motorsport. They can even have the M stripes next to the S to make them think that there's a connection.
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This debate reflects the difference between an ///M car and an ///M performance car.

Personally I think they should have used a different letter like S or called it M Sport.

///S235i

That would be a good designation. It's Sport but not Motorsport. They can even have the M stripes next to the S to make them think that there's a connection.
I personally think they should have kept it "is", but that won't sell as many because of the name
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The engine noise on the interior of the car sounds artificial to me - reminds me of the f20 hatch - wonder if it has the same speaker generated sound?
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      11-02-2013, 09:11 AM   #50
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The engine noise on the interior of the car sounds artificial to me - reminds me of the f20 hatch - wonder if it has the same speaker generated sound?
It does...
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      11-02-2013, 09:28 AM   #51
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It sounds like it has the active sound system
I was thinking the same. That engine noise is just too robust. Great sound though.
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Looks about right, sounds cool, but a little fake considering it was a wet track.

What's with all these guys showing off cars on the track without a helmet?
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      11-02-2013, 02:30 PM   #53
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All I have to say is it was being driven harder than 90% of us will ever drive it. A few tunes will have it planted as much as any car out there
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      11-02-2013, 03:36 PM   #54
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That's my point. If you think the CSL is planted like cement on cement, take a look at these screen shots of the video:

http://imgur.com/a/3ZYbw#0


Even the wonderful CSL has some body roll and it's ok. It's still "The Best Handling Car." No mass production street car under $100k is going to be flat like an Ariel Atom through the corners. Everyone saying there's too much body roll either 1. hasn't been on a track, or 2. didn't see the M235i video. The M3 CSL probably doesn't suffer quite as much from roll since Jeremy likes to kick the rear end out causing significant weight transfer and flattening of the car's stance. Still, the M235i didn't look to be rolling that much compared to the M3 CSL and everybody complaining already based on the single video posted of it on a flat non-cambered track are full of crap.

Consider the following about Thruxton:

The frame with the most body roll is at 1:31 after the turn named "Church." Church is one of the most famed of the British tracks due to the fact that it's an off camber corner.

The second most is the Noble to Goodwood turn which first loads the car on the right and then left with a significant weight transfer with almost no time to spare. That would trigger some roll in any car.

My point is: Stop complaining. The M235i was never going to be a race car. It's a cool, fast, and sporty coupe with some elements of the BMW M heritage. If you think it rolls too much, don't buy it and wait for the true M of the generation. BMW has already announced that the M235i is faster around the "Ring" than the 1M Coupe. And that's good enough for me to believe it's fast around a track.
This car must handle like crap....er almost zero body roll
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Every street-legal cars, including those super exotic hypercars, will roll when cornered hard. I have not seen a road car that doesn't roll, dive, or pitch when driven to the limit. The CSL clearly rolls too (if you can't tell from that video, you need to have your eyes checked), but the roll on the CSL is of course minimized due to stiffer suspension and lower ride height (lower ride height translates to lower CoG, which helps to reduce roll/pitch). The M235i obviously has larger roll due to softer suspension and higher ride height/CoG, but it still doesn't look too bad, and it's probably exacerbated by those off-camber corners at Thruxton anyway.

If they can offer a factory-installed M Performance Package that includes the M Performance LSD, suspension, brakes, exhaust, wheels, etc. as well as an active sound delete option, that should complete this car…
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Every street-legal cars, including those super exotic hypercars, will roll when cornered hard. I have not seen a road car that doesn't roll, dive, or pitch when driven to the limit. The CSL clearly rolls too (if you can't tell from that video, you need to have your eyes checked), but the roll on the CSL is of course minimized due to stiffer suspension and lower ride height (lower ride height translates to lower CoG, which helps to reduce roll/pitch). The M235i obviously has larger roll due to softer suspension and higher ride height/CoG, but it still doesn't look too bad, and it's probably exacerbated by those off-camber corners at Thruxton anyway.

If they can offer a factory-installed M Performance Package that includes the M Performance LSD, suspension, brakes, exhaust, wheels, etc. as well as an active sound delete option, that should complete this car…
I don't think you will be able to get the M perf parts from factory ....

I think you either get them port-installed and they keep the stock parts, or you do dealer install and pay labor and you keep the stock parts
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In the video it said "thanks for the Launch control" the M235i will have this Exciting function?!
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Too much body roll????

Really, it wasnt bad at all going those speeds...not sure if it had the optional differential
Yup, looks like a pig. To make matters worse, it appears the active suspension will be standard for US models! Why! Why can't they make it optional so you can get a proper manly suspension?
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In the video it said "thanks for the Launch control" the M235i will have this Exciting function?!
Why don't they just get a google autonomous car and call it a day?
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In the video it said "thanks for the Launch control" the M235i will have this Exciting function?!
Yes, it does
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I don't think you will be able to get the M perf parts from factory ....

I think you either get them port-installed and they keep the stock parts, or you do dealer install and pay labor and you keep the stock parts
How can I get them port-installed? Aside from the higher extra costs, not wanting to deal with the stock parts afterwards is another main reason why I will never go with the dealer-install option.

If I do end up getting this car, I will most likely do ED, hence why I prefer the factory-install option if it’s possible. I think BMW ought to at least offer them through BMW Individual. Is port-install still possible if you do ED?

Another scenario is if I choose to do PCD as well, do they get installed at the Performance Center?
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LOL. you're kidding right? watch the video. that M3 is planted like cement on cement. you're tripping.
That's my point. If you think the CSL is planted like cement on cement, take a look at these screen shots of the video:

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Even the wonderful CSL has some body roll and it's ok. It's still "The Best Handling Car." No mass production street car under $100k is going to be flat like an Ariel Atom through the corners. Everyone saying there's too much body roll either 1. hasn't been on a track, or 2. didn't see the M235i video. The M3 CSL probably doesn't suffer quite as much from roll since Jeremy likes to kick the rear end out causing significant weight transfer and flattening of the car's stance. Still, the M235i didn't look to be rolling that much compared to the M3 CSL and everybody complaining already based on the single video posted of it on a flat non-cambered track are full of crap.

Consider the following about Thruxton:

The frame with the most body roll is at 1:31 after the turn named "Church." Church is one of the most famed of the British tracks due to the fact that it's an off camber corner.

The second most is the Noble to Goodwood turn which first loads the car on the right and then left with a significant weight transfer with almost no time to spare. That would trigger some roll in any car.

My point is: Stop complaining. The M235i was never going to be a race car. It's a cool, fast, and sporty coupe with some elements of the BMW M heritage. If you think it rolls too much, don't buy it and wait for the true M of the generation. BMW has already announced that the M235i is faster around the "Ring" than the 1M Coupe. And that's good enough for me to believe it's fast around a track.
You're not making sense. People say the M235i has considerable body roll so you post a video of the CSL and say you bet they'd say that has body roll too. They say no, it has almost none and you say "that's my point"? I'm sorry but I don't get how that illustrates any point other than the CSL has almost no body roll and the M235i has a lot.
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I can see why some would like this car and I was hoping I would, but it's just not for me. It just has a rather tame look to it. It's already a small car and putting that wimpy wheel/tire combo on doesn't help things. Makes for better fuel economy but not performance. Anyway, to those that like it, that's great. Just not for me unless it looks considerably different in person.
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How can I get them port-installed? Aside from the higher extra costs, not wanting to deal with the stock parts afterwards is another main reason why I will never go with the dealer-install option.

If I do end up getting this car, I will most likely do ED, hence why I prefer the factory-install option if it’s possible. I think BMW ought to at least offer them through BMW Individual. Is port-install still possible if you do ED?

Another scenario is if I choose to do PCD as well, do they get installed at the Performance Center?
I think it's what's called PIA (port installed accessory) and it's not actually installed at the port but at the VPC (vehicle preparation center) once the car clears customs...

So the parts get installed after the vehicle arrives to the US... if you do ED the parts get installed after shipping and before delivery to the dealer.

Same if you do PDC... part will get installed in the VPC before it gets delivered to the PDC in SC

It would be much better if this was installed from factory but looks like that's what retrofit part means..... so either you get to keep the parts and pay labor at the dealer or do port-install and they keep all the stock parts.... It's kind of dumb cause it's like you are paying twice for a part of the car...hope i'm wrong
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Unsure if there was an LSD, but this is nothing the M Performance suspension or some Springs and tightly bound shocks couldn't cure. I'm assuming the stabilizer bars as big as they can be....
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