[motex]

Originally Posted by DS_BMW

What has better LED headlights. M4 or S3?

In my personal opinion, after a few Audis, headlights always suck, had a A4 looong time ago, A6, my wife had a Q7 and now drives a Q5, all, without exemption have had the worst lights I can remember, bi-xenon that works worst than halogen?
We had to use the "high beam" most of the time when driving in dark streets, don't know much about the S3 lights, but after such bad experiences, I must asume the any BMW is way much better than Audi

[E90M3JETS]

I wish BMW would offer a 4-door GC or sedan option. I drove both and I believe it is a tie. Audi is better looking (interior and exterior) and more functional by having 4 doors. The BMW wins on driving dynamics. My $0.02. Both are awesome cars!

[angelbones]

Originally Posted by E90M3JETS

I wish BMW would offer a 4-door GC or sedan option. I drove both and I believe it is a tie. Audi is better looking (interior and exterior) and more functional by having 4 doors. The BMW wins on driving dynamics. My $0.02. Both are awesome cars!

Noooooo to the GC. BMW already makes a sedan, called the 3 series. There should be a law that only 2-door cars can be called coupes or any variation thereof. A Grand Coupe is a sedan. Period.

[Sorry, nothing personal. I just can't stand how manufacturers starting creating a new segment called Gran Coupe, when all it really is, is a sedan with less headroom and unweildly back doors.]

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by E90M3JETS

I wish BMW would offer a 4-door GC or sedan option. I drove both and I believe it is a tie. Audi is better looking (interior and exterior) and more functional by having 4 doors. The BMW wins on driving dynamics. My $0.02. Both are awesome cars!

The true A3/S3 competitor is coming. The FWD/AWD BMW 1 Series sedan, on the shared UKL platform with Mini, will be here soon. Then, the three way arena of non-RWD entry level German luxury sedans will be complete....1 Series vs A3/S3 vs CLA.

[Adem1534]

Ugh, for crying out loud can we get an M2 teaser?

[caycep]

If Audi/VW didn't have such a spotty reliability record I would consider them. Not that BMW is amazing either but most of the horror stories I've heard have been VWAG. Hopefully the newer models are better.

[335BOY]

Originally Posted by angelbones

Noooooo to the GC. BMW already makes a sedan, called the 3 series. There should be a law that only 2-door cars can be called coupes or any variation thereof. A Grand Coupe is a sedan. Period.

[Sorry, nothing personal. I just can't stand how manufacturers starting creating a new segment called Gran Coupe, when all it really is, is a sedan with less headroom and unweildly back doors.]

By definition a coupe is a 2 door car. Period.

[335BOY]

Originally Posted by caycep

If Audi/VW didn't have such a spotty reliability record I would consider them. Not that BMW is amazing either but most of the horror stories I've heard have been VWAG. Hopefully the newer models are better.

I've had 5 Audis with ZERO serious/recurring problems. Can't say that for the BMW I've had. Not even close.

[raysspl]

Comparisons on price point is one way to write stories that's for sure.

[EzequielR]

At the end of the day, me being a fan boy, M235 ALL DAY! lol

I will admit I don't know much about Audi, but I have heard great things about the S3. Regardless, I know they are both great cars.

[Peschiera]

I love RWD in BMWs. But this xDrive seems to be amazing.
Event the German magazin auto-motor-sport which is actualy pro Audi always, could not deny the superior performance of M235i xDrive. These are the test results published just a few days ago when comparing it against S3 and A45 AMG.

Hockenheim ring:
A45 AMG: 1,14.9 min.
M235i xDrive: 1,15.0 min.
S3: 1,16.5 min

0..100 km/h:
A45 AMG: 4.8 sec.
M235i xDrive: 4.9 sec.
S3: 5.1 sec.

18 meter slalom:
A45 AMG: 68.6 km/h
M235i xDrive: 70.4 km/h
S3: 68.6 km/h

I love this statement (free translation):
'Although the heaviest M235i manages the slalom with 70.4 km/h. To put it into relation: even the clubracer version of Lotus cannot achieve this.'
(I apologize for my poor english)

[E90M3JETS]

Originally Posted by Peschiera

I love RWD in BMWs. But this xDrive seems to be amazing.
Event the German magazin auto-motor-sport which is actualy pro Audi always, could not deny the superior performance of M235i xDrive. These are the test results published just a few days ago when comparing it against S3 and A45 AMG.

Hockenheim ring:
A45 AMG: 1,14.9 min.
M235i xDrive: 1,15.0 min.
S3: 1,16.5 min

0..100 km/h:
A45 AMG: 4.8 sec.
M235i xDrive: 4.9 sec.
S3: 5.1 sec.

18 meter slalom:
A45 AMG: 68.6 km/h
M235i xDrive: 70.4 km/h
S3: 68.6 km/h

I love this statement (free translation):
'Although the heaviest M235i manages the slalom with 70.4 km/h. To put it into relation: even the clubracer version of Lotus cannot achieve this.'
(I apologize for my poor english)

Thank you for sharing. Amazing to me these numbers for all 3 are very close to fancy sport cars a decade ago and 2 of them manage it with 4-cylinder engines. Wow!

[Jadar]

Originally Posted by hyperboost

LONG time bmw fan/owner here. I hate any bmw with xdrive. It's a different concept than Quattro but Quattro is much better.
This new Audi is better than the bmw.

I do agree to a certain point, even my wife opted for a non x drive 228i M sport after owning a 328xi for 3 years. She said the stance and handling characteristics were much better in my rear driver so she wanted that feel. With blizzaks on her car here in Chicago she was good to go.

I have however wished in a couple instances in deep heavy snow I had x drive but those are rare moments. I enjoy rwd 11 months out of the year.

[e92ben]

Originally Posted by motex

In my personal opinion, after a few Audis, headlights always suck, had a A4 looong time ago, A6, my wife had a Q7 and now drives a Q5, all, without exemption have had the worst lights I can remember, bi-xenon that works worst than halogen?
We had to use the "high beam" most of the time when driving in dark streets, don't know much about the S3 lights, but after such bad experiences, I must asume the any BMW is way much better than Audi

I had a b7 a4 with oem xenons. Was excellent at lighting up the road no complaints

[AGAV13]

Which one would i buy push come to shove, M235i. Which do I think looks better, S3 by a long shot.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by E90M3JETS

I wish BMW would offer a 4-door GC or sedan option. I drove both and I believe it is a tie. Audi is better looking (interior and exterior) and more functional by having 4 doors. The BMW wins on driving dynamics. My $0.02. Both are awesome cars!

Agree.

They missed the mark by making a 4 series gran coupe and instead should be producing a 2 series gran coupe.

It's a Major hole in the Bmw lineup even though they have 84 models.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by 335BOY

By definition a coupe is a 2 door car. Period.

By definition, it's four wheeled and also horse drawn.

see- Merriam Webster

[BruceOmega]

Originally Posted by dd1981

I do agree to a certain point, even my wife opted for a non x drive 228i M sport after owning a 328xi for 3 years. She said the stance and handling characteristics were much better in my rear driver so she wanted that feel. With blizzaks on her car here in Chicago she was good to go.

I have however wished in a couple instances in deep heavy snow I had x drive but those are rare moments. I enjoy rwd 11 months out of the year.

Did you or your wife test drive an xDrive 2 series?

There has been a paradigm shift at BMW w.r.t. xDrive in the 2 series and 6 series- both offer the same sport suspension in xDrive as they do in RWD.

That's not the case with the 3 series, so I can understand preferring RWD over xDrive for that car.

Bruce

[Jadar]

Originally Posted by BruceOmega

Did you or your wife test drive an xDrive 2 series?

There has been a paradigm shift at BMW w.r.t. xDrive in the 2 series and 6 series- both offer the same sport suspension in xDrive as they do in RWD.

That's not the case with the 3 series, so I can understand preferring RWD over xDrive for that car.

Bruce

No, there was no x drive available yet on the 2 series when we test drove. However it was available to order as an option back in July when we secured an allocation.

She didn't want it. She's a bit on the enthusiast side of the dynamic feel of a compared average girl now days. She drove my car with blizzaks and determined it was sufficient with an added comment of knowing she's miss x drive in certain scenarios.

I had her drive an A4 to compare with bmw's and she hated everything about it, from comments of bland to too soft of a car.

She built it her way and loves the hell out of the car. Only regret was not getting the track pack, but she was hesitant getting blue calipers on a white car with corral red. Kinda turned her off with that color pallet if Ya know what I mean.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by BruceOmega

Did you or your wife test drive an xDrive 2 series?

There has been a paradigm shift at BMW w.r.t. xDrive in the 2 series and 6 series- both offer the same sport suspension in xDrive as they do in RWD.

That's not the case with the 3 series, so I can understand preferring RWD over xDrive for that car.

Bruce

But, it is still more weight for engine to have to push around and over the front end for that same suspension to cope with, and does change the steering feel. Also, more cost, maintenance, and potential repair. I realize we can likely all afford it as we're buying BMWs, but with the Blizzaks, it's so unnecessary, especially as it's possible need is of such limited duration each winter. For the six prior years with a RWD MB C Class, I read a lot of comments about how helpful 4MATIC is supposed to be (and have one on an E Class), but in practice, RWD and Blizzaks never failed me in winter, and kept up with my wife's E in the same weather (also on Blizzaks). On some much higher performance cars, AWD can help get the power to the ground, but on a 2, probably not needed IMHO.

[Jadar]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

But, it is still more weight for engine to have to push around and over the front end for that same suspension to cope with, and does change the steering feel. Also, more cost, maintenance, and potential repair. I realize we can likely all afford it as we're buying BMWs, but with the Blizzaks, it's so unnecessary, especially as it's possible need is of such limited duration each winter. For the six prior years with a RWD MB C Class, I read a lot of comments about how helpful 4MATIC is supposed to be (and have one on an E Class), but in practice, RWD and Blizzaks never failed me in winter, and kept up with my wife's E in the same weather (also on Blizzaks). On some much higher performance cars, AWD can help get the power to the ground, but on a 2, probably not needed IMHO.

Yeah her transfer case wen out in her 328xi and your statement is right in right there as far as maintenance goes. Covered under warr of course! I saw, the bill it was like a 3k jobbie YIKES!!

She pretty much hated the way her 328xi felt bogged down so to speak. I told her it's just the nature of AWD at low speed.

And like you mentioned blizzaks on flat plains no mountains you're pretty much good. I got her the new WS80's and they were amazing. Far better then any winter tire I've ran thus far.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by dd1981

Only regret was not getting the track pack, but she was hesitant getting blue calipers on a white car with corral red. Kinda turned her off with that color pallet if Ya know what I mean.

Next time around, there's an easy solution. The dealer had the calipers painted to match my car so they did not stay blue, per my request. This was done as part of new car prep....we have a great dealer!