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So is this confirmation that the M2 will be a 6-cylinder car? And what about what @Dackelone hypothesized regarding canceling the M235i when the M2 debuts?
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03-04-2014, 07:30 PM | #200 |
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How can the 1m be more an M car than the M3 when the only M bits it has are FROM the M3?
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But yet you charge vastly different amounts for them, based on the badging. I don't mind when BMW saves money in sharing parts, vw has been doing this for ages But I do have a problem when BMW charges me a hefty premium for an m3/m4 when the engine is pretty much the n55 with a few tweaks I could justify paying a premium for the e92 because I was getting a bespoke engine But when I'm expected to pay close to $20K more for an m3/m4, I can't justify that to myself.
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I mean if you like turbocharged cars, you have the 335/435 no? What built the M name were naturally aspirated cars, fact BMW has been making tons of money with bespoke M engines for decades Why is it that suddenly, they say it costs too much? It costs too much because you're being cheap, and you're trying to milk your brand name for every dime it's worth
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So was the 335is
But that don't make it an m car
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03-04-2014, 09:24 PM | #207 | |
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Forced induction in essence is saving the performance car from being redundant. The enthusiast driver needs to move with the times like what BMW and all other car markers need to as well. Ask GM if big, bulky, fuel hungry cars are in high demand anymore... |
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03-04-2014, 09:58 PM | #208 | |
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As for GM, they have a naturally aspirated performance car called the 'Corvette'. Meanwhile, their vanilla line up (read BMW 3,5,7) gives them the space to offer such an affront to the environment. How is BMW any different? Unless they're simply hiding behind bullshit standards misunderstood by people like you to offer 'performance' models that differ in name and ground effects alone. Thus, the current M3,4,5,6. As an enthusiast, I hope an N55 in the M2 is wrong and we'll see an S65 minus 2 or 4 cylinders, coupled with some weight reduction. But I doubt it. I expect my dollars going to a car company that doesn't pretend every car off the line needs to meet CAFE. |
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This is what he said in this thread as late as March 1: Quote:
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03-04-2014, 11:56 PM | #210 |
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Yeah, its a bit lame. He should just say that it is in flux. No biggie. Now he comes across as just pulling our chain. He sets expectations poorly.
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03-05-2014, 01:45 AM | #211 | |
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Imo: What does //M stand for nowadays? It's just that //M car the last couple of years stands for a fast luxurious tad overweight big Autobahnexpress with a possibility to have fun on a track but where it doesn't shine as much as I wanted in stock form. [1M=M2 wishfulthinking] The 1M is not really luxurious, not exactly overweight, not exactly an Autobahnexpress, though I drove it easily to Paris(F) and back lol. And I use the Autobahn sometimes. It can keep up with the rest It's bouncy, makes some noise(interior) , doesn't have that much passengerspace etc. But it does shine on the track, no overheated brakes and fronttyres(just the rears lol). It does shine in the fun department, whether accellerating or taking a bend. Anyplace anytime. Fun. Maybe that was not //M 's intention at all. So no it's not an //M car by definition. Though when //M(otorsport) started in 't 70s with the M1 and M3 E30 etc , //M stood for Motorsports. I think a more nimble, more agile, less weighing car(any) has more ' motorsport''in it than more or less the same car which is less nimble, less agile because it is heavier. In short: 1M is not really //M , but it surely is way more sporty than many many other //M cars from let's say the last decade. Having had an E46 M3 and an E90 M3 as well and thinking about the whole package: I'd say the sportiest. And no the legendary M1 did not rev to 8000rpm , the E30 M3 neither at least not stock I hope M2 will be a great successor to the 1M. I really do. Cheers Robin Last edited by Robin_NL; 03-05-2014 at 01:50 AM.. |
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03-05-2014, 04:12 AM | #212 |
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No the E30 M3 did not rev to 8.000 RPM, but it revved much higher than most normal cars on those times, even Ferraris did not rev that high.
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To be honest, I don't think Scott has as much of an inside line on BMW developments as you guys think he does. I think that he is pretty far removed from the teams that actually develop these cars and know real inside details.
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03-05-2014, 08:06 AM | #215 |
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Whatever engine the M2 gets, it sure as hell better sound less ricey than the new M4 does in the official BMW video below! I could not believe my ears, the M4 sounds like a Chevy Malibu V6 that has had a fart-can shoved up its rear. Horrible. The C7 and new Mustang GT/GT350 just eat this Bimmer's aural lunch.
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We need to stop hanging on his words as gospel.
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I do think it's pretty unfair to lynch @Scott26 for his misinformation this time. He may not be correct all the time but has still given good information in the past regarding timelines and possible considerations....although it seems he has been mistaken on a few 2-series related things, specifically the M2 and also the 2er Gran Coupe (which won't happen).
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The first time my source gives me wrong information, I'll stop posting. It's that simple. |
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