[Mywifes335]

My last mod will be a big turbo. After some research, it seems that the Pure stage 2 is the most popular. However, I've hear that there have been a few warranty claims. To keep options open, please let me know your thoughts on the competition (I ruled out Dinan):

Vargas Stage 2

http://performance.vargasturbo.com/v...e-on-the-dyno/


STEAM Stage STX 62

http://steamturbochargers.com/index....m-bmw-n55.html


Hexon Autowerks HYBRID 2 RR540

http://www.hexonautowerks.com/produc...?pg=&PdSearch=

[Mywifes335]

Anyone?

[Luminous]

I would stick with pure.

[pimp4cheddar]

I've only heard feedback about PURE so I'd obviously go that route as everyone seems to love it.

[Luminous]

I've heard not so great things about Vargas, the Steam turbo maxes out at 510hp and I haven't heard anything about the Hexon.

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by Luminous

I've heard not so great things about Vargas, the Steam turbo maxes out at 510hp and I haven't heard anything about the Hexon.

Very helpful.

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by Luminous

I've heard not so great things about Vargas, the Steam turbo maxes out at 510hp and I haven't heard anything about the Hexon.

You know what, H, it's crazy cuz Vargas costs like $1k more than Pure after you add all the bells and whistles that Pure already has.

Did you buy the Pure through Enzo or did you buy it elsewhere and had it installed and tuned at Enzo?

I wasn't able to confirm, but does Pure rebuild stock cores or does it use a new turbo altogether?

[PeterPure]

Originally Posted by Mywifes335

You know what, H, it's crazy cuz Vargas costs like $1k more than Pure after you add all the bells and whistles that Pure already has.

Did you buy the Pure through Enzo or did you buy it elsewhere and had it installed and tuned at Enzo?

I wasn't able to confirm, but does Pure rebuild stock cores or does it use a new turbo altogether?

The Vargas unit does cost more as it is a Dual Ball Bearing unit. The Pure is Journal Ball Bearing unit. But Vargas now also makes a journal bearing unit. However the vargas unit seems to lack flow in topend area. And Vargas is not really knows for good customer support.

Pure changes the stock core internals so it's like new really.

[Mywifes335]

Still sounds like Pure Stage 2 is IT. Anyone have a different setup?

[mike@x-ph.com]

I would go with Pure ... Cant beat the quality and reliability of pure turbos

[Bmw doubles]

I was looking at the Steam setup too. For 1300 bucks and no core trade that's a pretty good deal. Also that states up to 90+hp gains depending on mods. That's 1200 cheaper than a stage 2 Pure. Steam is also big in the Subaru world and those guys know modding.

http://steamturbochargers.com/index....r-upgrade.html

The flip side is Pure is proven on our platform and seem to have great customer service. I emailed Steam a couple of weeks ago and haven't heard anything yet. Maybe I'll call them and see how that goes.

The hexon turbo I've never heard of either.

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by Bmw doubles

I was looking at the Steam setup too. For 1300 bucks and no core trade that's a pretty good deal. Also that states up to 90+hp gains depending on mods. That's 1200 cheaper than a stage 2 Pure. Steam is also big in the Subaru world and those guys know modding.

http://steamturbochargers.com/index....r-upgrade.html

The flip side is Pure is proven on our platform and seem to have great customer service. I emailed Steam a couple of weeks ago and haven't heard anything yet. Maybe I'll call them and see how that goes.

The hexon turbo I've never heard of either.

Yup. Back in my EVO days I ran a guy with a Steam upgrade. Still beat him but his WRX was considerably faster than stock. Only Subie I ever lost to had a built 2.5L with NJ plates "M3KILLER".

But I digress. I'm looking for the most reliable and then best value turbo. So far it seems like Pure is it for our car. But definitely interested in hearing how they respond to you.

I miss the availability of the FP turbos. They made some serious stuff.

[Anthony235]

Originally Posted by Bmw doubles

I was looking at the Steam setup too. For 1300 bucks and no core trade that's a pretty good deal. Also that states up to 90+hp gains depending on mods. That's 1200 cheaper than a stage 2 Pure. Steam is also big in the Subaru world and those guys know modding.

http://steamturbochargers.com/index....r-upgrade.html

The flip side is Pure is proven on our platform and seem to have great customer service. I emailed Steam a couple of weeks ago and haven't heard anything yet. Maybe I'll call them and see how that goes.

The hexon turbo I've never heard of either.

Site says 75-90hp increase. That's seems much lower than pure S2, no?

[PeterPure]

Originally Posted by Anthony235

Site says 75-90hp increase. That's seems much lower than pure S2, no?

Yup Pure Stage2 will get you 230 over stock if you want.

[Mywifes335]

What's the warranty like on the Pure?

[Anthony235]

Originally Posted by Mywifes335

What's the warranty like on the Pure?

Limited 1-Year Warranty Statement

All OEM remanufactured turbochargers and turbocharger cartridge assemblies supplied by PURE TURBOS are warranted to be free from defects in workmanship and materials. Such warranty shall be honored for a period of twelve (12) months from the date of end-user purchase, without regard for mileage used.

http://www.pureturbos.com/store/warranty/

[Bmw doubles]

Anthony235 definitely lower than the Pure Stage 2. I think that's Steam stage 1. Just saying for 1300 bucks and no core trade that's more power than PTS1. PTS2 to gain full potential of the turbo you also have to include fuel upgrades like PI or TBI, lpfp and probably hpfp. Correct me if I'm wrong in how to maximize your PTS2. At least with the Steam turbo a nice tune will get you 90 extra horses across the rpm range on otherwise stock hardware.

[PeterPure]

Originally Posted by Bmw doubles

Anthony235 definitely lower than the Pure Stage 2. I think that's Steam stage 1. Just saying for 1300 bucks and no core trade that's more power than PTS1. PTS2 to gain full potential of the turbo you also have to include fuel upgrades like PI or TBI, lpfp and probably hpfp. Correct me if I'm wrong in how to maximize your PTS2. At least with the Steam turbo a nice tune will get you 90 extra horses across the rpm range on otherwise stock hardware.

You will get to around 450-460 on 93 fuel. 500-520 with meth and for more you need lpfp upgrade and pi/tbi.

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by Darkiedm4

You will get to around 450-460 on 93 fuel. 500-520 with meth and for more you need lpfp upgrade and pi/tbi.

So I've got:

F22 M235i

- JB4
- ER downpipes
- ER chargepipes
- AFe intake
- Wagner EVO II Intercooler
- BMS Meth injection

So if I bolt on the Pure Stage 2, my whp jumps from ~375 to 500-520whp, on 93 and meth? No LPFP or PI upgrade?

[PeterPure]

Originally Posted by Mywifes335

So I've got:

F22 M235i

- JB4
- ER downpipes
- ER chargepipes
- AFe intake
- Wagner EVO II Intercooler
- BMS Meth injection

So if I bolt on the Pure Stage 2, my whp jumps from ~375 to 500-520whp, on 93 and meth? No LPFP or PI upgrade?

Correct!

[H3G0N3_F22]

Originally Posted by Darkiedm4

Correct!

I think to get those figures the LPFP and TBI/PI are
going to be required, correct? I am sure most running
Stage 2 have at a min. upgraded to the LPFP for better
Fueling flow to keep up with that beast of a turbo, correct?

[PeterPure]

Originally Posted by Dspeed23

I think to get those figures the LPFP and TBI/PI are
going to be required, correct? I am sure most running
Stage 2 have at a min. upgraded to the LPFP for better
Fueling flow to keep up with that beast of a turbo, correct?

You only need LPFP and TBI/PI if starting to use E85 mixtures.