[MeltedCactus]

Do you expect to see a flood of used M235i's hit the market once the M2s hit dealerships? Secondly, do you think this will lower prices for used M235i's?

Thanks

[M235iguy]

I'm already seeing a few of M235i owners looking to sell or trading in to get a M2. All depends on the negotiations still. I saw two posts alone today offering their M235i's because of M2 orders arriving. If it continues its possible it could help save a little on both used and new. I just bought a new 16 M235ix and dont really have any interest in a M2 because I prefer awd in my snow state. We'll see what the future brings.

[Mywifes335]

If the M2 were available when I got the M235i for similar pricing (albeit comparable premium), I would've gotten the M2....despite the horrible origami front-end.

[Liquidpaper]

Originally Posted by Mywifes335

If the M2 were available when I got the M235i for similar pricing (albeit comparable premium), I would've gotten the M2....despite the horrible origami front-end.

Me too, but it wasn't, and you will have trouble getting one at a reasonable (sticker) price in most metropolitan areas for some time. I live in So Cal, and I imagine they are going for 10k over sticker right now.

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by Liquidpaper

Me too, but it wasn't, and you will have trouble getting one at a reasonable (sticker) price in most metropolitan areas for some time. I live in So Cal, and I imagine they are going for 10k over sticker right now.

Yeah. That's the truth. When I got my M235i it literally sat at the dealer for the entire 2014 calendar year. I got $8k off sticker. No one bought it because it was RWD. Picked it up in No Jersey.

So now slowly bridging the gap before getting the next car. Meth going in next Thursday.

[DanG]

Unless you track your car, I don't think the M2 is an improvement for daily driving. Most reviews I have read prefer an M235i as a daily driver.

[Liquidpaper]

Originally Posted by DanG

Unless you track your car, I don't think the M2 is an improvement for daily driving. Most reviews I have read prefer an M235i as a daily driver.

Even if you track your car, the 235i is fine with a few mods.

[Mywifes335]

I'm FBO with 325whp/345wtq on Mustang dyno on Map 2 and 93. When I run 100 octane in Map 7 the car has no traction at full throttle below 40-50mph. I'm running 265mm PSS.

I'd say you'd need an LSD if you want to track an FBO car and fully utilize the power.

[Liquidpaper]

Originally Posted by Mywifes335

I'm FBO with 325whp/345wtq on Mustang dyno on Map 2 and 93. When I run 100 octane in Map 7 the car has no traction at full throttle below 40-50mph. I'm running 265mm PSS.

I'd say you'd need an LSD if you want to track an FBO car and fully utilize the power.

In my experience, you need four (maybe three) mods to track the car properly: camber plates (or LCAs); LSD; brake fluid, and maybe (if you are a more advanced driver) upgraded brake pads. The rest is gravy.

The last thing you need is more power (although it is fun). I was up around 140 on the front straight at Willow Springs with a stock motor. Any faster and you should be in a caged race car - that shit is frightening.

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by Liquidpaper

In my experience, you need four (maybe three) mods to track the car properly: camber plates (or LCAs); LSD; brake fluid, and maybe (if you are a more advanced driver) upgraded brake pads. The rest is gravy.

The last thing you need is more power (although it is fun). I was up around 140 on the front straight at Willow Springs with a stock motor. Any faster and you should be in a caged race car - that shit is frightening.

Agree...

However having had a couple throttle steering cars in the past...gobs of power is fun. Lol.

[racerstf]

Originally Posted by Liquidpaper

In my experience, you need four (maybe three) mods to track the car properly: camber plates (or LCAs); LSD; brake fluid, and maybe (if you are a more advanced driver) upgraded brake pads. The rest is gravy.

The last thing you need is more power (although it is fun). I was up around 140 on the front straight at Willow Springs with a stock motor. Any faster and you should be in a caged race car - that shit is frightening.

I wish an LSD wasn't so expensive I want one in my car so bad... Do you DD with your track tires?

[Liquidpaper]

Originally Posted by racerstf

I wish an LSD wasn't so expensive I want one in my car so bad... Do you DD with your track tires?

Yeah. I'm lazy and live in SoCal, so it's warm and dry 95% of the year.

LSD is expensive, but it's a very complicated mechanical device. There is a reason why auto companies are going away from making them standard equipment on all cars.

[Mywifes335]

What tires do you run? Hoosiers?

[Liquidpaper]

Originally Posted by Mywifes335

What tires do you run? Hoosiers?

Oh god no. I ran Dunlop Direzza IIs, and now I'm on Hankook RS3 V2.

[2M]

Let me ask you, did you buy it from Tenafly? I think it was silver but im not sure. I came in to purchase but It had been sold that very same day lol.

[rainfall]

I am on the market for a new or used M235i for a while. I had gotten consistently quotes for new at like 5% below msrp assuming no trade-in and just last week, some dealers I have been talking with knocked an additional 1k for just one weekend and went back on to 5% off.
So other than that small blip down, I didn't see a whole lot of changes in the new market.

I have also seen a few ppl trying to sell their M235is to potentially get an M2 or M3

[Zooks527]

Originally Posted by racerstf

I wish an LSD wasn't so expensive I want one in my car so bad.

Sure, the OEM is foolishly expensive. There are alternative's, though. Wavetrac's LSD is $600 for a RWD M235i ($1800 for the M235xi), plus install.

[15GT-TO-M235]

Originally Posted by Zooks527

Sure, the OEM is foolishly expensive. There are alternative's, though. Wavetrac's LSD is $600 for a RWD M235i ($1800 for the M235xi), plus install.

are you sure about the price on RWD of $600.00 . sounds low.

[Zooks527]

Originally Posted by 15GT-TO-M235

are you sure about the price on RWD of $600.00 . sounds low.

Have I ever lied to you before?

You're paying for the "pumpkin" that goes inside the OEM housing, which therefore requires disassembly. It's less expensive for the RWD because that uses a bolted ring gear that can be easily unbolted from the factory unit and swapped over. The xDrive uses a welded ring gear that needs an adapter (add $700) plus machining and welding at the vendor (add another $500) before you get it back and then suffer the install cost. CalWaterBoy over in the 3-forum at the other site has had a Wavetrac LSD in his E93 335i for a few years and swears by it.

So, for the straight-up RWD:
http://wavetrac.net/application.htm
Part #30.309.392WK

[15GT-TO-M235]

Originally Posted by Zooks527

Have I ever lied to you before?

You're paying for the "pumpkin" that goes inside the OEM housing, which therefore requires disassembly. It's less expensive for the RWD because that uses a bolted ring gear that can be easily unbolted from the factory unit and swapped over. The xDrive uses a welded ring gear that needs an adapter (add $700) plus machining and welding at the vendor (add another $500) before you get it back and then suffer the install cost. CalWaterBoy over in the 3-forum at the other site has had a Wavetrac LSD in his E93 335i for a few years and swears by it.

So, for the straight-up RWD:
http://wavetrac.net/application.htm
Part #30.309.392WK

just spoke to Wavetrac, the actual diff is $1295,plus installation kit for $600.00. total $1895.00 plus tax. so definitely more than $600.00

[gaijin]

The logical up-check from owning an M235i would be to go to an F80 or F81. After all, why not? Both models offer all the amenities of a performance oriented BMW straight out of the box.

Now for a first time acquisition into the 2er segment, then the M2 makes better sense unless the first time buyer is looking at AWD or ragtop.

[Zooks527]

Originally Posted by 15GT-TO-M235

just spoke to Wavetrac, the actual diff is $1295,plus installation kit for $600.00. total $1895.00 plus tax. so definitely more than $600.00

That's interesting, that's the opposite of an email chain I had with them. Included below from the email discussion on my xDrive:

George,
Ok we finally confirmed, the ix uses the small rear end, while the regular
rwd M235i uses the 215K axle.

So , it's a 188K axle rear, WELDED. So we would need the rear end sent here
for service.

30.309.175WK Wavetrac $1295
30.309.189WK parts and labor $600

Nathan

It may be that their initial assumptions (that the RWD used the bolted and not the welded rear axle) have changed since February, and it's now doing the same pricing structure for both RWD and xDrive.