[atg4]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

Put your racing resume next to his.

Why? We're not racing. We're talking about commuter vehicles, and I'm sure my resume of cars I've owned would impress most people.

[atg4]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

no wonder nobody listens

Then why are you on bimmerpost Hahaha kidding aside, I think BMW is the best overall brand with something for everyone.

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by alexandertg21

Then why are you on bimmerpost Hahaha kidding aside, I think BMW is the best overall brand with something for everyone.

Nothing for me anymore

Unless there's secret NA HPS bmw's I don't know about...

[ClothSeats]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Yeah, that's not the case at all really.

235 = slightly improved M sport package

M2 = smaller M3

I owned the former, drove the latter extensively, and now have a 981, I can tell you the difference is literally worlds apart.

What? The M2 is to 235i as M3 is to 335i. It is a 2-series not a 3-series.

What does your Cayman have to do with anything? You are always talking about it. This shouldn't even be a discussion.

[SaltyNC]

Originally Posted by BruceM

So stipulated. He still looks awkward as hell on that car.

True, but he's on a car with three lap dancers, and what do we have on our lap -- right, a computer.

Salty

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by SaltyNC

True, but he's on a car with three lap dancers, and what do we have on our lap -- right, a computer.

Salty

Speak for yourself!! :

[b33g33]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

What for? The man is a pro race car driver, and somebody already listed his resume. And he used to race a Porsche 911 GT3 Cup Car

Check his wiki
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Pobst

But, you are starting to sound like Ralph Gilles, who was frustrated with Randy in his review of the Viper.

There is only one Chris Harris and his style is his own, and Randy Pobst is not trying to be him. And he gave a favorable review of the M2. So, what do you want?

I did not question his racing/driving credentials. He WAS good. We know. Not some god among drivers but good enough to get some decent wins.

I think he sucks as a presenter and he's a crap writer. The gushing over the M235 and the M2 is a blatantly mercenary effort to appease some of the BMW community for his over the top comments on the 1M.

What do I want? I want him to put on a helmet and drive the damn cars but keep his mouth shut and let someone with a little more feel for language actually do the talking.

It's not going to happen because he's realized that this is his meal-ticket now and that's fine. I don't have to watch his crap videos.

[Verbiage]

1M owners are proving to be ALMOST as bitter as F80 M3/M4 owners. We should create a poll to see what future M2 owners think.

[M2BMW]

Originally Posted by Verbiage

1M owners are proving to be ALMOST as bitter as F80 M3/M4 owners. We should create a poll to see what future M2 owners think.

Best to ignore and lol, not going to change the immaturity.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Verbiage

1M owners are proving to be ALMOST as bitter as F80 M3/M4 owners. We should create a poll to see what future M2 owners think.

lol. Well, after autocrossing my 1M today, I sure wonder how the hell he HATED the 1M, with true mechanical steering and yet he felt the M2 and M235 are both terrific

Personally, I chalk his 1M comments up the fact that he was a Porsche driver at the time. I don't feel he was bagging on BMWs but he was definitely more in tune with the 911. That review was done pretty early on his journalistic career IIRC.

After driving my X1 for a month, it was very rewarding to have some actual force , feedback and feel (FFF) through the steering wheel.

[redux]

Originally Posted by b33g33

The gushing over the M235 and the M2 is a blatantly mercenary effort to appease some of the BMW community for his over the top comments on the 1M.

Or, I know this a foreign concept to some, he actually just didn't like the 1m and likes the other two. The rest of the testing staff hated the car too, thus he wasn't alone in thinking the car didn't handle well. His comments about the cars are his just his opinion and I doubt the need to appease self important M owners had anything to do with them. You people need to take the advice of that frozen song and let it go; that shit was years ago.

[dawgdog]

I have always liked his reviews and generally agree with them. Especially loved it when he drove the GT3 RS and exclaimed "race car, race car." Since how a car handles on the track is important to me, I like to see reviews by drivers like Randy Probst and Chris Harris.

[c63er]

Originally Posted by b33g33

I did not question his racing/driving credentials. He WAS good. We know. Not some god among drivers but good enough to get some decent wins.

I think he sucks as a presenter and he's a crap writer. The gushing over the M235 and the M2 is a blatantly mercenary effort to appease some of the BMW community for his over the top comments on the 1M.

What do I want? I want him to put on a helmet and drive the damn cars but keep his mouth shut and let someone with a little more feel for language actually do the talking.

It's not going to happen because he's realized that this is his meal-ticket now and that's fine. I don't have to watch his crap videos.

What this man says is so true. Randy Pobst is seriously suspect with his reviews. In regards to the cars hes driven and I've also had a chance to drive, his reviews are all over the map with no consistency.

Someone like Chris Harris or Clarkson are the standard-bearers in my mind. You might not like their review, but they are actually consistent and pure with their perspective. If one of them favors one aspect of a car or another you can see that shine through all their reviews across the board, and having had seat time in alot of cars they have reviewed I can say they are damn accurate.

Randy is on another planet. I don't know what his angle is, if he even has one, but alot of what he says about cars is totally inaccurate or just from left field. Not only that, what he considers good traits or bad traits really have no relevance to us in any event since his slant is from some supposed track driving.

This takes nothing away from generally good comments about the M2. Its just a bone I have with Mr Pobst's reviews of cars, not just BMWs.

[PrematureApex]

Originally Posted by Verbiage

1M owners are proving to be ALMOST as bitter as F80 M3/M4 owners. We should create a poll to see what future M2 owners think.

To be fair, if you've driven a 1M and a 235, you'd know Pobst deserves some .

[miiipilot]

if you guys keep it up, you're gonna get that douche-hole Farrah. please no!

where's Harris and that bloke from Evo? I like them the best

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by c63er

...Clarkson are the standard-bearers in my mind.

Really ???

[bradleyland]

I'd love for the folks who are so ready to chuck stones at Randy Pobst to present some good counter-arguments to his reviews that go beyond, "I own such-and-such car that he shit on and I really like it, so obviously he's a twat." Randy is pretty clear about what he likes and doesn't like in a car. It also has to be considered that he drives the cars around a track. I've owned more than one car that I really enjoyed on the road, but felt like a pig on a track. You have to consider the context.

I just can't understand how people take swipes Pobst. If you can't figure out what is agenda is, maybe it's because he doesn't have one. Every review I've seen of his has solid information to back it up. No, the guy is not an English major, but he's great at communicating how a car is balanced, and how it puts power down (one of his favorites). Is it any surprise that he would focus on these things? Racing drivers are, of course, extremely focused on how a car behaves at under braking, at entry, mid-corner, and exit. Watch to Randy's reviews, and you'll see that he's very focused on those aspects of the cars.

If you don't care about those things, then fine, ignore his reviews. It doesn't mean he's crap; it just means you don't value the same things he does. There's nothing wrong with that. How a car performs around a track is an extremely narrow view of a car that will spend 99% of its life on the street.

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

I'd love for the folks who are so ready to chuck stones at Randy Pobst to present some good counter-arguments to his reviews that go beyond, "I own such-and-such car that he shit on and I really like it, so obviously he's a twat." Randy is pretty clear about what he likes and doesn't like in a car. It also has to be considered that he drives the cars around a track. I've owned more than one car that I really enjoyed on the road, but felt like a pig on a track. You have to consider the context.

I just can't understand how people take swipes Pobst. If you can't figure out what is agenda is, maybe it's because he doesn't have one. Every review I've seen of his has solid information to back it up. No, the guy is not an English major, but he's great at communicating how a car is balanced, and how it puts power down (one of his favorites). Is it any surprise that he would focus on these things? Racing drivers are, of course, extremely focused on how a car behaves at under braking, at entry, mid-corner, and exit. Watch to Randy's reviews, and you'll see that he's very focused on those aspects of the cars.

If you don't care about those things, then fine, ignore his reviews. It doesn't mean he's crap; it just means you don't value the same things he does. There's nothing wrong with that. How a car performs around a track is an extremely narrow view of a car that will spend 99% of its life on the street.

you know what's odd? I believe it was when Randy Pobst drove the Viper vs the ZR-1 around Laguna Seca and criticized it, Ralph Gilles had a few words for Randy. The Viper Team (SRT) came back with the Viper T/A which rectified the issues that Randy criticized, and it had the fastest lap around Laguna Seca for a production car.

[cc3]

Randy who never heard of him. I see from Google he has had a bit of a racing career but so have hundreds of others. Is this guy seen as the dogs boll--ks in the US?

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by ClothSeats

What? The M2 is to 235i as M3 is to 335i. It is a 2-series not a 3-series.

What does your Cayman have to do with anything? You are always talking about it. This shouldn't even be a discussion.

You do realize that the underpinnings of the M2 are all F8X parts, right ?

Hence the reference to a smaller M3. Does that make sense to you now?

I traded my 235 in when I got my Cayman. I'm still interested in the M2. They're going to be compared....so, perhaps those experiences could be relevant to the overall conversation.

[ClothSeats]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

You do realize that the underpinnings of the M2 are all F8X parts, right ?

Hence the reference to a smaller M3. Does that make sense to you now?

I traded my 235 in when I got my Cayman. I'm still interested in the M2. They're going to be compared....so, perhaps those experiences could be relevant to the overall conversation.

Yes, the M2 shares parts with the M3. As did the 1M and previous generation M3. They are all different platforms with their own unique handling characteristics.

Randy loved the M235 because of its neutral balance and mid-corner adjustability. Racing drivers tend to desire those things in street cars; they want to be able to play with the car and tell it what exactly what and what not to do.

An M2 is faster and more capable than a 235i, but it is still based off the same platform. The only advantages the M235 has are ride quality and road noise, both of which are going to be lost on a racetrack. So it should not be very surprising that he likes the M2 more.

[stefan]

1M guys are funny. Acting like it wasn't a test bed/marketing experiment--can they build a budget M car with the OEM parts bin. Turns out yes and the enthusiasts lap it up. Enter M2, correcting everything that was wrong about the 1M including the limited production run. And you guys try to say the M2 doesn't crush the 1M

As for the journalist saying journalist things. Let's see.. all journalists everywhere appear to LOVE every single new BMW. They also seem to love every new.. every car. I am almost certain purist car journalism is dead. Everyone's paid and everyone wants to keep getting cars from manufactures to sell magazines and get views. Next version will be the "best yet" etc. Wouldn't put too much weight on it.

In fact, current BMWs particularly the 2er and 3/4er drive absolutely nothing like the classic BMWs. They are totally different beasts. Comparing them to the BMWs of old is kind of a waste of time.