[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by SebsM2

Really?

Yessir it does again and again and again

Both are stock and both have DCT

The OG is easier to launch

[SebsM2]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Yessir it does again and again and again

Both are stock and both have DCT

The OG is easier to launch

What does after 60 look like? Im sure it pulls away pretty quickly

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by SebsM2

What does after 60 look like? Im sure it pulls away pretty quickly

Yes then the power difference is very clear

Highway speeds is where the S55 shines

OG M2 is amazingly quick from a dig

[F87source]

Originally Posted by 3t3p

1
7
5
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KG

Say this out loud three times.

'This two series weighs one thousand, seven hundred and fifty kilos'

Then lawnmower man will appear and shave 200KG off for you

For real? Holy crap that is not good. I thought the F series was getting piggy but now the G series is straight up obesed.



In regards to what's a better track car it's the og m2 the only feature that matters is the sump, the b58 doesn't have any baffling, scavenge pumps, or additional pick ups (like the s58 which allows it to have guaranteed oiling up to 1.3G). So the m240i will likely have oil pressure issues on track leading to rod bearing failure.

There are other things too like the OG m2 has better sub frames, alot of aluminum suspension components. So if you start to mod the two cars I feel the OG m2 has a better starting point with a higher track potential. The b58 may be better cooled so maybe it'll have a higher power potential but the chassis isn't as good.



Overall out of the box the m240i might have similar if not better lap times than the OG simply because it has alot more power and the G series seems to be able to put power down alot better than the F series. But other than that as stated above the OG m2 still has alot better features in it's sump, sub frame, and suspension. I also feel the OG m2 is too stiff in the rear which allows it to be playful but it doesn't allow it to have enough mechanical grip. It also has a but if body roll which seems to throw of it's grip in rapid slaloms. So right off the bat I feel there is a lot of time to be had if the suspension was softer and the sway bars were stiffened to help with body roll.

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Yessir it does again and again and again

Both are stock and both have DCT

The OG is easier to launch

And is missing 150+ horses…
Why don’t you ask someone who knows how to drive to jump in that G82.

The F87 has no chance against the G82 0-60

[GoneIn4Secs]

Originally Posted by 3t3p

1
7
5
0
KG

Say this out loud three times.

'This two series weighs one thousand, seven hundred and fifty kilos'

Then lawnmower man will appear and shave 200KG off for you

Really? The power to weight ratio must be worse than a stock OG

[GoneIn4Secs]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Yessir it does again and again and again

Both are stock and both have DCT

The OG is easier to launch

I thought dct ended with m2 cs

[F87source]

Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

Really? The power to weight ratio must be worse than a stock OG

I saw on a car article that the Xdrive version with the auto is in the 4100 lbs range, which is fricken insane. Not sure if these numbers are legit but if they are that thing is a tub of lard, and you will definitely feel it in the corners.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

I thought dct ended with m2 cs

I am talking about my F87 and F82

He's talking about the G82
I have no idea why but that's fine
Moving right along

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

I see where you're coming from, you're a mediator, but I'm a polarizer, so I stick closer to the original definitions.

The ones you made up yourself?




Cheers
Robin

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by F87source

I saw on a car article that the Xdrive version with the auto is in the 4100 lbs range, which is fricken insane. Not sure if these numbers are legit but if they are that thing is a tub of lard, and you will definitely feel it in the corners.

Wow that's nuts

Porky 🐷

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

Wow that's nuts

Porky 🐷

Yeah not a good look for bmw. I thought the F series was getting heavy (M2 was a coupler of hundred of pounds heavier than the 1m) and was not happy with it and yet bmw is still making these things get heavier and heavier.

[No Boost]

Originally Posted by 3t3p

1
7
5
0
KG

Say this out loud three times.

'This two series weighs one thousand, seven hundred and fifty kilos'

Then lawnmower man will appear and shave 200KG off for you

If true, 400+ lbs porkier than the '16-'18 M2. It's evident that BMW simply doesn't give a shit about controlling weight anymore. Them and the majority of Americans are on the same wavelength in this regard.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by DanG

In reality I cant see any OG M2 owners trading in their BMW for an M240ix. It is just not in the same class as a real M car.

That upgrade/sidegrade actually makes more sense to me because some people might want or need AWD.

[ASAP]

I think people tend to forget how strong BMWs base offerings are these days... this isn't 2002 where we had a monstrous E46 M vs a lolable 330i.

It's 2021 where we have a very potent M340i and an even more potent G80 M3.

The baseline car is more than enough car for most people... The M2 will feel rawer, more connected and offer a better driving experience but as a car, the new M240i will probably be faster, could do at least 1 lap quicker, will be more comfortable and have newer tech. For most people, outside of the hardcore few, that will be more than good enough.

IMHO, BMW really shoots themselves in the foot where they make the non m models in the succeeding generation faster than the prior M... something seems very offputting about that.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

I am pretty familiar with the N55 in my ex 535i /335i and OG M2 and it sounds great(I had the M perf exhaust with those valves)

And that's it. In any way.
OK I give you the around 2000 rpm pickup.

I'm comparing apples to oranges but for just €700,00 I have MHD stage 0 (500HP or even530HP) and it's so powerful and fast vs stock Comp, let alone the breathless N55 , hate to say it. (Trackday and Autobahn overheating.....)

100-200kmh (62-124mph) just in 'auto' DCT not even sport 7.9s (Dragy)
0-200 (124mph) kmh 11.99s (Pilot Sport 4S)

With just a tune via my telephone and bluetooth. Free revving to 7600, and power beyond 7000rpm(which the M2C stock engine does not have)

Apples to oranges I already stated, but S55 is the real deal IMHO!

And yes I occasionally track my car(Ferodos square and brakefluid)


Peace!

Cheers
Robin

To be fair the stock tuned m2c while not breathless above 5300 it is restrained. Power goes flat for 2000+ rpm. A tune will fix it but you can't get a tune on many 2020 m2c and all 2021 m2c. Stock m2 vs stock m2c the s55 doesn't impress me with the exception of better cooling.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by akkando

To be fair the stock tuned m2c while not breathless above 5300 it is restrained. Power goes flat for 2000+ rpm. A tune will fix it but you can't get a tune on many 2020 m2c and all 2021 m2c. Stock m2 vs stock m2c the s55 doesn't impress me with the exception of better cooling.

Not sure.... i believe you on not feeling the difference there...

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...89&postcount=1

The M2 OG does indeed have an advantage in the 1st 2k of the rpm range likely due to a far smaller turbo... but it ends there and in a large way.

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

The ones you made up yourself?




Cheers
Robin

I wish. I got them from a book in my high-school library, circa 1986. The definitions made perfect sense to me at the time, and still hold true today.

[GoneIn4Secs]

Originally Posted by ASAP

Not sure.... i believe you on not feeling the difference there...

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...89&postcount=1

The M2 OG does indeed have an advantage in the 1st 2k of the rpm range likely due to a far smaller turbo... but it ends there and in a large way.

Like ive said in the past, the m2 will beat the m2c stoplight to stoplight around town

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by GoneIn4Secs

Like ive said in the past, the m2 will beat the m2c stoplight to stoplight around town

I mean if you're referring to like valet mode racing... i.e. up to 2k rpm sure... but I think an I3 would blow both of us away there... perhaps a nissan leaf as well.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by No Boost

If true, 400+ lbs porkier than the '16-'18 M2. It's evident that BMW simply doesn't give a shit about controlling weight anymore. Them and the majority of Americans are on the same wavelength in this regard.

3,519 to 3,944 lbs

That's a lot of weight for a smaller coupe

[peteyrx7]

Originally Posted by ASAP

I think people tend to forget how strong BMWs base offerings are these days... this isn't 2002 where we had a monstrous E46 M vs a lolable 330i.

It's 2021 where we have a very potent M340i and an even more potent G80 M3.

The baseline car is more than enough car for most people... The M2 will feel rawer, more connected and offer a better driving experience but as a car, the new M240i will probably be faster, could do at least 1 lap quicker, will be more comfortable and have newer tech. For most people, outside of the hardcore few, that will be more than good enough.

IMHO, BMW really shoots themselves in the foot where they make the non m models in the succeeding generation faster than the prior M... something seems very offputting about that.

BMW is trying to stay competitive in the market. One byproduct of that is new models as fast as prior M ones. Who is going to buy their new cars if the competition upgrades and they don't? There's no intent to one up prior m buyers it's just a drive for continuous improvement.