how short is too short

XutvJet · 10-13-2021, 01:28 PM

Yank everything and return to stock and put the car on a trickle charger.

I can not stress how touchy German electronics are. BMWs are not Subarus, Hondas, or a GM product. They have a number of computers and systems constantly talking to one another, even when the car is off. For an of example extreme BMW integration, when the wipers are on and you're in Sport mode (Sport throttle setting), the stability control nannies are hyperactive with respect moderate or heavy throttle tip-in as well as wastegate operation. Why? Because the DME assumes that if the wipers are on, it's slick out so the DME adjusts throttle input and boost to keep the tires from spinning if you stab the throttle too hard at first. You're not seeing that in a more standard car.

nazali · 10-13-2021, 01:55 PM

it could also be the floating wheel caps

LOLOL

nazali · 10-13-2021, 01:56 PM

I mean I get stuff for the car, but I've ONLY put on BMW OEM DEALER only parts, for this very reason, I mean except the dashcam, not sure if BMW do a dashcam

nazali · 10-13-2021, 02:01 PM

looks like they do

https://www.bmw.ca/en/topics/offers-...r-eye-2-0.html

nazali · 10-13-2021, 02:02 PM

looks like they do

nazali · 10-13-2021, 02:04 PM

Driving and surveillance camera front+rear, Basis kit - original BMW Advanced Car Eye 2.0
66212457032 66 21 2 457 032 2457032

Product number: 66-21-2-457-032

407.65 USD excl. vat

(from a vendor) God knows how much BMW charge for it including fitting

nazali · 10-13-2021, 02:05 PM

considering there's "nothing wrong" at all with my car and I yet I can't not drive it, without it comitting suicide ,
I doubt I'll be sinking any money in to this odious vehicle
(Odious is my word for the day, woo hoo I managed to use it in a sentence)

nazali · 10-13-2021, 04:23 PM

Got car back, got home wanted to test the keyfob.

The keyfob can do the alarm, from some serious distance, from car parked on drive to garage door is about 20ft, from there to the front door another 20ft. from there to inside the house say 20ft, from there to the back door 20ft, I also trie upstairs in my bedroom to the back of the house, I also tried in the basement

I can open my car door, easily, 80ft, is this fooking normal ? Forget comfort acces or start , the car alarm can be activated that far

The key is being detected from as far away as 80-90ft. I'm going to go out and pace to the top of my road and check again

Can anyone out there tell me the furthest you can get

nazali · 10-13-2021, 04:38 PM

home made faraday cage, one layer of tinfoil on the spare key, can't alarm or disarm
wonder if that was causing the problem ? 2 keys transmitting or being aware of the car ? don't know how it works ?

still putting the car on charge tonight, I can't risk not getting to work tommorow

XutvJet · 10-13-2021, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nazali

Got car back, got home wanted to test the keyfob.

The keyfob can do the alarm, from some serious distance, from car parked on drive to garage door is about 20ft, from there to the front door another 20ft. from there to inside the house say 20ft, from there to the back door 20ft, I also trie upstairs in my bedroom to the back of the house, I also tried in the basement

I can open my car door, easily, 80ft, is this fooking normal ? Forget comfort acces or start , the car alarm can be activated that far

The key is being detected from as far away as 80-90ft. I'm going to go out and pace to the top of my road and check again

Can anyone out there tell me the furthest you can get

9 stories up, through reflective double-pane glass, and about 200 feet away from the car and with the original 5.5+ y/o key fob battery.

nazali · 10-13-2021, 05:36 PM

hahaha wow, again this is an assumption, mind you like everything else, this was never a problem

Quote:

Originally Posted by XutvJet

9 stories up, through reflective double-pane glass, and about 200 feet away from the car and with the original 5.5+ y/o key fob battery.

morphomeman · 10-14-2021, 01:26 PM

Why did it take all this back-and-forth to learn that a dashcam had been installed?
OP: get back to us once you have completely uninstalled it and let us know if it was the culprit.

nazali · 10-14-2021, 04:31 PM

I've had a lot of threads, and I did say I had a dashcam, and this one wasn't about that initially, hence why I did not mention it unless asked much later.

The dash cam I had in the car since I had it and was fine for 2 months, as said I changed the settings which killed the battery.

There's 4 pages on this thread so I guess things get lost, dash cam is no longer connected but the wiring is.

Yesterday I had car on charge overnight and put keys in foil (faraday cage) something has changed after the reflash, I g'tee it has.

I'm planning on the rest of the week overnight, keep it on charge (due to work anxeity, am runnong only on DRL's in the morning, no radio, lights anything, drive to my new job is 6km's one way, so 12km's today

Friday night I'll take it off charge and see what happens, saturday is usually is a short trip up the road and Sunday is usually a longish drive, then back for Monday morning start.

Am making sure I dont shuffle my car off the drive and stop it and then restart it. so once I'm back home, I'm back home done, no moving of cars.

I wanna test out my first theroy that the key's are waking my car up overnight. INteresting, in the dealership,, car was kept for 2 days, and key's were pretty far away from the car.

Also my theory about the Auto lights causing a draw, didn't happen. Anyway

sorry if this was TL : DR

Quote:

Originally Posted by morphomeman

Why did it take all this back-and-forth to learn that a dashcam had been installed?
OP: get back to us once you have completely uninstalled it and let us know if it was the culprit.

nazali · 10-14-2021, 04:35 PM

probably Saturday I'm going to log on and check for codes and battery wear SOH etc

nazali · 10-15-2021, 04:14 PM

I think I found a culprit, so the last time the car failed, it had rained and there was water on the bonnet, I lifted the bonnet and a deluge if water ran over the innard near the battery connector, I also noticed there is a drain point, which was blocked and smi filled with water, I remember immediately after that the when I was checking the volts, it gave weird readings, going down and down, then car died.

I also noted that after opening the bonnet I heard weird noise coming from under the bonnet, clicking and a motor type noise

I am wondering if a big enough water SPLASHED something under there.

Today I noticed the area (like a cup) was full of water, so I drained it, past few days I have not been checking under the bonnet and it had not been raining, morning starts have been ok (although) I have had the car on charge overnight,

I'm going to investigate this further tomorrow.

Last night I noticed the car would not charge fully on the trickle charger and it had drizzled/rained and I'm wondering if there is a correlation.

I think this is it, I'll come back to you

ALSO, I've had the key's in a faraday cage as I also thought that the key's might be waking the car up, BUT, I really think now, this is the problem

Tommorow I will also check for codes.

nazali · 10-15-2021, 04:16 PM

and the previous time to that the car died it was after we did a long run in a rain storm and after parking overnight it had rained, we parked the car up, and I'm sure that area filled up with water and overflowed

morphomeman · 10-15-2021, 05:24 PM

I have a 2015 235 with the original battery.
In the last two years, I have not driven more than 300 mi./500 km. per month.
Knock wood, I have had no battery issues.
So something is wrong for sure with your vehicle.

nazali · 10-15-2021, 06:04 PM

yeah, it's bloody crap, on a brand new car with a brand new battery, all of a sudden after 3 months of shuffling, 1 or 2 km's a day I'm told I have to drive continuosly.

I wonder how many other people have been fobbed off.

BTW, yesterday it rained and the charger on all night, would not get of of phase (3 or 4) all night... this afternoon, no rain and the car charger up into full maintenance charge in an hour

I'll get some pics out tommorow afternoon

nazali · 10-15-2021, 06:13 PM

Listen, I understand the battery discharge thing, I've had it once or twice, in the 1'er
BUT your car is designed to "under discharge" to shut things off to be able to start, not totally crash out and die.

BUT...BUT when your car has a short or water is shorted out then all bets are off.

Also "Battery discharge when stopped" this error is that WHILE THE CAR IS STOPPED it is discharging,every time the car has died, it has been overnight, while that water has had a chance to seep in and aoverflow and go everywhere, cause a short, cause a module to crash out and flat the battery.

HOW many miles you drive may or may not give you the battery discharge, but you WONT KILL THE CAR, the car wont die.

That is the problem and is this problem and I bet a pound to a penny that other similar people have had this. My car also sat in a dealer for a year, that drain plug just taking water and crap.

Seriously refuse when BMW tell you that your not driving the bloody car, garbage. ON a 5 year car with an original battery YES, 2020 with a 2000km battery NO, hell no

nazali · 10-16-2021, 07:56 PM

So I'm wrapping this up, because it's gone off track, the answer is

there isn't a short trip, there is an issue and it's not with short trips

PICTURES WILL BE INCLUDING

XutvJet · 10-17-2021, 09:42 AM

How are you certain this is the problem? The connections there are of an all weather design and it's not like everything is sitting in water. Again, you tapped into a main part of the wiring harness and connected a device that would put a constant draw on the system AND weren't running a trickle charger when hardly driving the car.

Lastly and more importantly, as the owner of the car, it is your responsibility to maintain and clean it including those drain spouts. I inspect and clean those at at least once a month.

It sounds to me that your actions are most likely the cause of your issues.

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XutvJet Major General 5602 Rep 5,393 Posts Drives: 2011 Cayman Base, 2016 M235 Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Kansas City iTrader: (-1)	Yank everything and return to stock and put the car on a trickle charger. I can not stress how touchy German electronics are. BMWs are not Subarus, Hondas, or a GM product. They have a number of computers and systems constantly talking to one another, even when the car is off. For an of example extreme BMW integration, when the wipers are on and you're in Sport mode (Sport throttle setting), the stability control nannies are hyperactive with respect moderate or heavy throttle tip-in as well as wastegate operation. Why? Because the DME assumes that if the wipers are on, it's slick out so the DME adjusts throttle input and boost to keep the tires from spinning if you stab the throttle too hard at first. You're not seeing that in a more standard car. __________________ The forest was shrinking, but the Trees kept voting for the Axe, for the Axe was clever and convinced the Trees that because his handle was made of wood, he was one of them.
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nazali Major 1335 Rep 1,146 Posts Drives: 230 2020 vert F23 Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Total Wack Job iTrader: (0)	I mean I get stuff for the car, but I've ONLY put on BMW OEM DEALER only parts, for this very reason, I mean except the dashcam, not sure if BMW do a dashcam
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nazali Major 1335 Rep 1,146 Posts Drives: 230 2020 vert F23 Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Total Wack Job iTrader: (0)	looks like they do https://www.bmw.ca/en/topics/offers-...r-eye-2-0.html
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nazali Major 1335 Rep 1,146 Posts Drives: 230 2020 vert F23 Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Total Wack Job iTrader: (0)	Driving and surveillance camera front+rear, Basis kit - original BMW Advanced Car Eye 2.0 66212457032 66 21 2 457 032 2457032 Product number: 66-21-2-457-032 407.65 USD excl. vat (from a vendor) God knows how much BMW charge for it including fitting
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nazali Major 1335 Rep 1,146 Posts Drives: 230 2020 vert F23 Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Total Wack Job iTrader: (0)	considering there's "nothing wrong" at all with my car and I yet I can't not drive it, without it comitting suicide , I doubt I'll be sinking any money in to this odious vehicle (Odious is my word for the day, woo hoo I managed to use it in a sentence)
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10-13-2021, 04:23 PM	#74
nazali Major 1335 Rep 1,146 Posts Drives: 230 2020 vert F23 Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Total Wack Job iTrader: (0)	Got car back, got home wanted to test the keyfob. The keyfob can do the alarm, from some serious distance, from car parked on drive to garage door is about 20ft, from there to the front door another 20ft. from there to inside the house say 20ft, from there to the back door 20ft, I also trie upstairs in my bedroom to the back of the house, I also tried in the basement I can open my car door, easily, 80ft, is this fooking normal ? Forget comfort acces or start , the car alarm can be activated that far The key is being detected from as far away as 80-90ft. I'm going to go out and pace to the top of my road and check again Can anyone out there tell me the furthest you can get
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nazali Major 1335 Rep 1,146 Posts Drives: 230 2020 vert F23 Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Total Wack Job iTrader: (0)	home made faraday cage, one layer of tinfoil on the spare key, can't alarm or disarm wonder if that was causing the problem ? 2 keys transmitting or being aware of the car ? don't know how it works ? still putting the car on charge tonight, I can't risk not getting to work tommorow
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morphomeman Major 595 Rep 1,220 Posts Drives: 2015 M235ix Join Date: May 2015 Location: United States iTrader: (1) Garage List 2016 BMW X3 [0.00] 2015 BMW M235ix [0.00]	Why did it take all this back-and-forth to learn that a dashcam had been installed? OP: get back to us once you have completely uninstalled it and let us know if it was the culprit.
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nazali Major 1335 Rep 1,146 Posts Drives: 230 2020 vert F23 Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Total Wack Job iTrader: (0)	probably Saturday I'm going to log on and check for codes and battery wear SOH etc
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10-15-2021, 04:14 PM	#81
nazali Major 1335 Rep 1,146 Posts Drives: 230 2020 vert F23 Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Total Wack Job iTrader: (0)	I think I found a culprit, so the last time the car failed, it had rained and there was water on the bonnet, I lifted the bonnet and a deluge if water ran over the innard near the battery connector, I also noticed there is a drain point, which was blocked and smi filled with water, I remember immediately after that the when I was checking the volts, it gave weird readings, going down and down, then car died. I also noted that after opening the bonnet I heard weird noise coming from under the bonnet, clicking and a motor type noise I am wondering if a big enough water SPLASHED something under there. Today I noticed the area (like a cup) was full of water, so I drained it, past few days I have not been checking under the bonnet and it had not been raining, morning starts have been ok (although) I have had the car on charge overnight, I'm going to investigate this further tomorrow. Last night I noticed the car would not charge fully on the trickle charger and it had drizzled/rained and I'm wondering if there is a correlation. I think this is it, I'll come back to you ALSO, I've had the key's in a faraday cage as I also thought that the key's might be waking the car up, BUT, I really think now, this is the problem Tommorow I will also check for codes.
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nazali Major 1335 Rep 1,146 Posts Drives: 230 2020 vert F23 Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Total Wack Job iTrader: (0)	and the previous time to that the car died it was after we did a long run in a rain storm and after parking overnight it had rained, we parked the car up, and I'm sure that area filled up with water and overflowed
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morphomeman Major 595 Rep 1,220 Posts Drives: 2015 M235ix Join Date: May 2015 Location: United States iTrader: (1) Garage List 2016 BMW X3 [0.00] 2015 BMW M235ix [0.00]	I have a 2015 235 with the original battery. In the last two years, I have not driven more than 300 mi./500 km. per month. Knock wood, I have had no battery issues. So something is wrong for sure with your vehicle.
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nazali Major 1335 Rep 1,146 Posts Drives: 230 2020 vert F23 Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Total Wack Job iTrader: (0)	yeah, it's bloody crap, on a brand new car with a brand new battery, all of a sudden after 3 months of shuffling, 1 or 2 km's a day I'm told I have to drive continuosly. I wonder how many other people have been fobbed off. BTW, yesterday it rained and the charger on all night, would not get of of phase (3 or 4) all night... this afternoon, no rain and the car charger up into full maintenance charge in an hour I'll get some pics out tommorow afternoon
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10-15-2021, 06:13 PM	#85
nazali Major 1335 Rep 1,146 Posts Drives: 230 2020 vert F23 Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Total Wack Job iTrader: (0)	Listen, I understand the battery discharge thing, I've had it once or twice, in the 1'er BUT your car is designed to "under discharge" to shut things off to be able to start, not totally crash out and die. BUT...BUT when your car has a short or water is shorted out then all bets are off. Also "Battery discharge when stopped" this error is that WHILE THE CAR IS STOPPED it is discharging,every time the car has died, it has been overnight, while that water has had a chance to seep in and aoverflow and go everywhere, cause a short, cause a module to crash out and flat the battery. HOW many miles you drive may or may not give you the battery discharge, but you WONT KILL THE CAR, the car wont die. That is the problem and is this problem and I bet a pound to a penny that other similar people have had this. My car also sat in a dealer for a year, that drain plug just taking water and crap. Seriously refuse when BMW tell you that your not driving the bloody car, garbage. ON a 5 year car with an original battery YES, 2020 with a 2000km battery NO, hell no
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10-16-2021, 07:56 PM	#86
nazali Major 1335 Rep 1,146 Posts Drives: 230 2020 vert F23 Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Total Wack Job iTrader: (0)	So I'm wrapping this up, because it's gone off track, the answer is there isn't a short trip, there is an issue and it's not with short trips PICTURES WILL BE INCLUDING
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10-17-2021, 09:42 AM	#87
XutvJet Major General 5602 Rep 5,393 Posts Drives: 2011 Cayman Base, 2016 M235 Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Kansas City iTrader: (-1)	How are you certain this is the problem? The connections there are of an all weather design and it's not like everything is sitting in water. Again, you tapped into a main part of the wiring harness and connected a device that would put a constant draw on the system AND weren't running a trickle charger when hardly driving the car. Lastly and more importantly, as the owner of the car, it is your responsibility to maintain and clean it including those drain spouts. I inspect and clean those at at least once a month. It sounds to me that your actions are most likely the cause of your issues.
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