[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Gtrain

I think this is more in reference of how the car feels and drives. When you drive the 1M, you really need to know the limits to drive it faster because it is less forgiving and gives you less confidence when you drive because you need to provide the exact inputs for it to respond the way you want. Versus, if you were to drive the M3/M4, it is more forgiving for your mistakes. It will interpret what you want it to do and do it very well which in turn builds confidence in you driving the vehicle and how it feels.

Talking from personal experience on the Autobahn: the 1M gets a bit 'twitchy' above, say, ± 240 km/h.

I believe that subtle hood lift contributes, to some extent, to that characteristic.

The 1M hood lift phenomenon at higher speeds is not possible on the M2, as the latter features two hood locks (alike other 2ers and current-gen 3ers and 4ers) instead of a single one.

Picture of the 1M of forum fellow Plautos at ± 220 km/h:


Hood lift on a 1M (check from 02h55 onwards):

Hood lift on 135i:

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by philisme

The intake air temperature sensor of my M235i

Even stock it's already high. Tuned to 380hp it's even worst. Installing a bigger intercooler offers a 15-20hp power increase without doing anything else. That means the stock intercooler is too small.

Artificially neutering.

But the 235 needs wider tires and a better suspension anyway...those are the main areas that the M2 will be able to distinguish itself...the added power will just be bonus.

oh yeah, and one turbo = harder to dial up easily which = protection for M3/4.

[Bosozoku]

Originally Posted by PackPride85

[*]Tires are 10mm narrower than the M4 because stock M4 size wouldn't fit.

I call BS on that.
I'm sure someone on BP will put 255mm fronts and 275mm rears on an M2.
Let us know how they fit.

[metrickid]

Originally Posted by Bosozoku

I call BS on that.
I'm sure someone on BP will put 255mm fronts and 275mm rears on an M2.
Let us know how they fit.

They will probably fit without issues for most people but the manufacturer has to take snow chains into the calculations and other extreme conditions. Under no conditions would it be acceptable for a stock car to rub the fender.

[Bosozoku]

Originally Posted by Steveo

It's an M car but no M buttons?! WTF!

This should have been the 2M not a M car.

Uh oh. Wait until Steveo hears about the mirrors.
/s

[aussiem3]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

Not really. To me this car is the "1M, part 2" so the comparison is really a crucial part of the evaluation of the M2. It's funny to me how people are trying to separate the M2 from the 1M but in reality this is an attempt to recreate the 1M.

I think the M2 is just about the only car in the BMW lineup worth considering so i appreciate it; but i'm wondering HOW the M2 is selling for cheaper than the 1M in the australian market and what costcutting BMW have done to keep the price down here.

I don't need to find 1M advantages....there are already many :P

BMW is losing ground to MB hence being competitively priced. The AMG A45 or whatever is every where here, so no wonder BMW has dropped the price to be attractive.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Steveo

It's an M car but no M buttons?! WTF!
This should have been the 2M not a M car.

Originally Posted by Bosozoku

Uh oh. Wait until Steveo hears about the mirrors.
/s

Steveo, please take seat. We got some more news for you about the M2 and it, uh, ain't particularly what you want to hear.

[Diver]

No sound deadening, kind of hard core.

[G8rGrl]

Originally Posted by Spook410

Ripped out sound deadening material to reduce weight? Haven't seen a lot in the way of weight reduction and now I'm wondering how noisy this thing will be.

Ditto.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by PackPride85

Sound deadening material ripped out to reduce the weight

Is that a BMW euphemism for telling us that the M2 does not feature 'Active Sound Design' ?

[BimmerF32_430i]

I love how forum members find a way to complain about everything about this car. The car won't be loud enough! Wait, No sound deadening? Oh, now it's gonna be too loud!

I drive an F30 335i, and absolutely would have loved for there to be less sound deadening as I can barely hear the exhaust even with a meisterschaft exhaust. If I ever get a chance to drive this car, I'm sure I would love it!

[Benzima]

Originally Posted by Artemis

The 1M hood lift phenomenon at higher speeds is not possible on the M2, as the latter features two hood locks (alike other 2ers and current-gen 3ers and 4ers) instead of a single one.

Wow! It really looks scary!!! Hopefully this is fixed on the M2...

[Transfer]

I'm very happy with my M235i but I'm still keeping the M2 on a short list for when my lease is up in 2018. However, the advantages of the M2 over 235i seem to be dwindling for those of us planning street driving with little to no track use.

Pros vs 235i:
Transmissions
Throttle response
Handling when driving aggressively
M-Diff
Power
Exterior looks
Sound (maybe?)
More exclusive, prestige

Cons vs 235i:
Cost
Road noise (?)
No M button or custom settings
Limited interior and exterior color choices
M car on the cheap
Power can be matched with tunes easily
It will get me in trouble on the street

Hmmm... I still like it though.

[PackPride85]

One more quote from the article:

‘We wondered if we could do the M2, because the M235i is so good,’ reveals project manager Frank Isenberg. ‘But one drive in the M2 and you’ll know it’s a proper M car.’

[iatacs19]

It all sounds great, but we need to know the price...

[auf Deutsch]

Originally Posted by chaudhrysn

I drive an F30 335i, and absolutely would have loved for there to be less sound deadening as I can barely hear the exhaust even with a meisterschaft exhaust. If I ever get a chance to drive this car, I'm sure I would love it!

Good point. Apparently, the N55/MPE sounds really good. I wouldn't know sitting behind the wheel.

[raysspl]

Interesting insights here...

[Alumac]

If you're going to miss the M button, you can always go with the original M button.-

[ClothSeats]

Originally Posted by PackPride85

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/feature...-january-2016/

Info is from interviewing the engineers who worked on the car. You'll need to register for a free account to read. MAKE SURE YOU SAVE THE PAGE SINCE YOU ONLY GET ONE LOOK PER FREE ACCOUNT.

Highlights:

• Uncapped production numbers
• Subframe suspension components taken from M4
• Tires are 10mm narrower than the M4 because stock M4 size wouldn't fit.
• No adaptive dampening as they designed the shock dampening specifically for the spring rate
• Brakes are pulled off the M4.
• No carbon-ceramic due to cost. Can ask dealer for track pads though.
• DCT and 6 speed pulled straight from M4
• Sound deadening material ripped out to reduce the weight
• Less restrictive air intake, M4 pistons, liners, big-end bearings, oil pump and sump
• Same intercooler as m235i, but larger radiator with better airflow thru bumper
• Increased throttle response vs m235i
• No drivelogic controller (hence the missing M buttons)
• comfort, sport, sport+ selections for steering, throttle, dct settings. Fixed not adjustable
• The M2 should be more stable at the limit than the 1M. This was due to them not having enough time to calibrate based on using a turbo motor.
• One of the guys they interviewed said he prefers the M2 over the M4 bc its smaller and could potentially be faster through a slalom.

I'm going to call BS on the tires. They just don't want it putting down numbers that are on par with or better than the M3/M4. Apart from that and the fixed settings, the rest sounds good to me.

[phoenixbmwlife]

Originally Posted by dharo1

Twin turbo?

Edit: misread..NOT getting twin turbo, etc....

However, I still think it is far from being like a M4.

How would you know if you've never driven it?

[phoenixbmwlife]

Originally Posted by philisme

After my M235i, I was considering buying a brand new M2. I was in the process of choosing the specs even if I was disappointed with the non-M seats and the no-weight reduction.

But now I'm learning that it's is the same intercooler as the M235i, which was already too small...
And there are no M buttons... I find them really convenient on the M3/M4.

So I think I'll go for a low mileage used Sakhir orange M3/M4. Because of the seats, the weight reducing stuffs, M-buttons, drivelogic, and the +500hp engine potential !

I've never understood why a car is better if it's a limited production ?*
Take a very good and limited car. And then, produce it undefinitely. Does that make the car "less good" ?
*(except on the "investment" point of vue).

And don't forget no M mirrors. Lol

[phoenixbmwlife]

Originally Posted by PackPride85

One more quote from the article:

‘We wondered if we could do the M2, because the M235i is so good,’ reveals project manager Frank Isenberg. ‘But one drive in the M2 and you’ll know it’s a proper M car.’

That's a pretty good quote. I have no doubt this car will be even more hallowed than the 1M. And in some cases more than the M4. All the little things that we all wish it had, I have a feeling after driving it we will forget all about it because of the exhilaration of the driving experience.

Only time will tell.

EDIT: just realized the typo in first line. Fixed.