[Liquidpaper]

You know, I have never even considered an audio upgrade in this car -- not really my thing. However, I checked out Bavsound's website and looked at the HK upgrade. If it is as good as they say it is, it seems like a good deal. Better sound while retaining factory quality/fitment, which was my biggest turnoff to any audio upgrade.

[BPC]

What are people with F23's doing with regard to speaker upgrades?

[BentZero]

Hmmm, is it dumb of me to want to order the the HK kit for my Hi-Fi car knowing that I'm going to get the Bimmertech amp as well? I really don't want coaxials if I can avoid it.

[CanadianGatorBacon]

I might be wrong about this l, because my electrical skills are super rusty, but doesn't the standard hifi head unit only have 5 channels? What signals are going to be sent to the tweeters? I assume it's the in line filters on the bavsound speakers that let them add a coaxial tweeter. I doubt the component tweeters will have that if you were going to run the same channel to the mids and tweeters. Can the bimmer tech amp handle that for you? I assume it has a DSP so maybe it can work some magic that I'm not familiar with.

[BentZero]

Originally Posted by CanadianGatorBacon

I might be wrong about this l, because my electrical skills are super rusty, but doesn't the standard hifi head unit only have 5 channels? What signals are going to be sent to the tweeters? I assume it's the in line filters on the bavsound speakers that let them add a coaxial tweeter. I doubt the component tweeters will have that if you were going to run the same channel to the mids and tweeters. Can the bimmer tech amp handle that for you? I assume it has a DSP so maybe it can work some magic that I'm not familiar with.

It's still a full channel (sorry, don't know the technical term) signal. So basically take that tweeter that's on the mid range, place it in the door sail and then send it the same in-line filtered signal. I believe that the HK system basically does this.

I was more speaking in terms of power and also wiring to the rear deck. Again, assuming that in a HK setup the tweeters get their signal via a filtered line coming from the mids. I wonder if the HK kit will work okay with the hi-fi amp for now in terms of power. Idk. So many mods. It's hard to prioritize.

[Legal Bill]

I just think the hi-fi speakers sound tinny. I didn't pay for the HK system when I bought my car because most people on here did not think it was worth the cost. So my plan was pretty simple. Buy the car with the Hi Fi system, then upgrade the speakers. If that is not enough, upgrade the subs. If that is not enough, go for the amp. But y hope is this speaker kit will be all I need. I'm not into thumping hard bass. For the price, I know I'm getting superior speakers made to fit my car with no secondary parts or modification needed.

[OpenAir]

Originally Posted by BPC

What are people with F23's doing with regard to speaker upgrades?

Installing the same kit!

[OpenAir]

Originally Posted by BentZero

Hmmm, is it dumb of me to want to order the the HK kit for my Hi-Fi car knowing that I'm going to get the Bimmertech amp as well? I really don't want coaxials if I can avoid it.

I don't think so...

[CanadianGatorBacon]

Confirmed via email, the standard HIFI kit is 5 coaxial speakers.

[BentZero]

Yeah, screw that.

[Nelson@BimmerTech]

Great info on those torn between doing speaker or amp upgrade

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1243952

[Viffermike]

I gotta make a point here:

For the rear deck, components are absolutely overkill for either the the HK system of the Hi-Fi system. You gain no soundstage benefit, and anything emitted is reflected off the rear window anyway. In fact, coaxials with an angled tweeter may be a better choice because of the ability to 'aim' the dispersion of the tweeter, however slightly.

For the front doors, yes: components make total sense. Coaxials can work fine, but raising the tweeters to head level in the sail panels, as a component set does in the HK system, makes a world of difference sonically.

I think the best Bavsound solution for those with Hi-Fi systems would be:
- HK-replacement components in the front doors, purchased with a pair of OEM sail panels
- Hi-Fi-replacement coaxials in the back

Why Bavsound didn't do this for its Hi-Fi-replacement set is probably twofold: economics (aiming for a price point) and ease of installation. Retrofitting the HK sail panels -- or some other full-range driver-to-component solution -- is probably more than Bavsound wanted to involve a consumer in doing to install the kit.

[CanadianGatorBacon]

I assume you're excluding the center channel, you haven't seemed to care much for it in other posts. This option is only $144 more than the standard HIFI kit, comparing the entire standard HIFI kit $497 (cheaper to order the whole package than just the front and rears ($530)), to rears from the standard HIFI kit ($299) plus fronts from the premium HIFI kit ($342), which totals to $641.

Man, their website is a pain.

[mikkemille]

Appreciate all the info in this thread. The NEOLAUNCH promo code ends today, FYI.

[selmeralto]

Originally Posted by Viffermike

I gotta make a point here:

For the rear deck, components are absolutely overkill for either the the HK system of the Hi-Fi system. You gain no soundstage benefit, and anything emitted is reflected off the rear window anyway. In fact, coaxials with an angled tweeter may be a better choice because of the ability to 'aim' the dispersion of the tweeter, however slightly.

For the front doors, yes: components make total sense. Coaxials can work fine, but raising the tweeters to head level in the sail panels, as a component set does in the HK system, makes a world of difference sonically.

I think the best Bavsound solution for those with Hi-Fi systems would be:
- HK-replacement components in the front doors, purchased with a pair of OEM sail panels
- Hi-Fi-replacement coaxials in the back

Why Bavsound didn't do this for its Hi-Fi-replacement set is probably twofold: economics (aiming for a price point) and ease of installation. Retrofitting the HK sail panels -- or some other full-range driver-to-component solution -- is probably more than Bavsound wanted to involve a consumer in doing to install the kit.

Just to second Viffermike on this, I've put components in the front and coaxes in the back on my HK system and I'm very happy with the results, including soundstage considerations.

[Viffermike]

Originally Posted by CanadianGatorBacon

I assume you're excluding the center channel, you haven't seemed to care much for it in other posts. This option is only $144 more than the standard HIFI kit, comparing the entire standard HIFI kit $497 (cheaper to order the whole package than just the front and rears ($530)), to rears from the standard HIFI kit ($299) plus fronts from the premium HIFI kit ($342), which totals to $641.

Man, their website is a pain.

Correct; the center channel really mucks everything up sonically. On the Hi-Fi system, it's not even on a separate channel: It's a reduced-volume sum of the front left and right channels. (Not sure how it's wired on the HK, but I suspect it's similar.) For a center ANYthing to work properly in a multi-channel sound environment, it needs its own channel and own mix.

So yeah: just unplug the puppy and don't bother upgrading it!

[BentZero]

Originally Posted by Viffermike

I gotta make a point here:

For the rear deck, components are absolutely overkill for either the the HK system of the Hi-Fi system. You gain no soundstage benefit, and anything emitted is reflected off the rear window anyway. In fact, coaxials with an angled tweeter may be a better choice because of the ability to 'aim' the dispersion of the tweeter, however slightly.

For the front doors, yes: components make total sense. Coaxials can work fine, but raising the tweeters to head level in the sail panels, as a component set does in the HK system, makes a world of difference sonically.

I think the best Bavsound solution for those with Hi-Fi systems would be:
- HK-replacement components in the front doors, purchased with a pair of OEM sail panels
- Hi-Fi-replacement coaxials in the back

Why Bavsound didn't do this for its Hi-Fi-replacement set is probably twofold: economics (aiming for a price point) and ease of installation. Retrofitting the HK sail panels -- or some other full-range driver-to-component solution -- is probably more than Bavsound wanted to involve a consumer in doing to install the kit.

I didn't elaborate earlier, but when the time comes this is the path I'm going to investigate. Coax drop-ins in the back because you don't gain much from separates back there. Separates in the doors for speaker separation. Center delete for better imaging and cost savings. Some kind of amp. Maybe bimmertech, but i'll probably have to tweak the tune a bit.

I may email Bav to see if they can create a type of "Hi-Fi to HK" hybrid setup including sails or at least provide people with the part number for the sails.

[Nelson@BimmerTech]

Originally Posted by Viffermike

I gotta make a point here:

For the rear deck, components are absolutely overkill for either the the HK system of the Hi-Fi system. You gain no soundstage benefit, and anything emitted is reflected off the rear window anyway. In fact, coaxials with an angled tweeter may be a better choice because of the ability to 'aim' the dispersion of the tweeter, however slightly.

For the front doors, yes: components make total sense. Coaxials can work fine, but raising the tweeters to head level in the sail panels, as a component set does in the HK system, makes a world of difference sonically.

I think the best Bavsound solution for those with Hi-Fi systems would be:
- HK-replacement components in the front doors, purchased with a pair of OEM sail panels
- Hi-Fi-replacement coaxials in the back

Why Bavsound didn't do this for its Hi-Fi-replacement set is probably twofold: economics (aiming for a price point) and ease of installation. Retrofitting the HK sail panels -- or some other full-range driver-to-component solution -- is probably more than Bavsound wanted to involve a consumer in doing to install the kit.

You are 100 % correct! Don't ask me how i know

[Nelson@BimmerTech]

Originally Posted by BentZero

I didn't elaborate earlier, but when the time comes this is the path I'm going to investigate. Coax drop-ins in the back because you don't gain much from separates back there. Separates in the doors for speaker separation. Center delete for better imaging and cost savings. Some kind of amp. Maybe bimmertech, but i'll probably have to tweak the tune a bit.

I may email Bav to see if they can create a type of "Hi-Fi to HK" hybrid setup including sails or at least provide people with the part number for the sails.

Sail panels p/n

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showp...92&postcount=2

[BentZero]

Originally Posted by BentZero

I may email Bav to see if they can create a type of "Hi-Fi to HK" hybrid setup including sails or at least provide people with the part number for the sails.

they didn't respond :/

[BMWZ4]

Originally Posted by BentZero

they didn't respond :/

Just so you know, they're not the best at responding to mail promptly.

[Legal Bill]

The latest e-mail from Bavsound says my Hi-Fi stage one kit will not ship until June. So back to the future....