[uberspeed]

Originally Posted by BMWZ4

Ridiculous. Do your homework before you buy. A new car is probably the 2nd biggest purchase after your home. Investigate before shelling out your hard earned dosh.

I hope BMW lawyers bury him and make him cover court costs.

Twit.

Yes, please. And this is from a person that is not fond of lawyers, though mainly I single out family law practitioners, as I consider most scum of the earth with no real hard skills or value that benefit from the misery of hard working fathers such as myself only to hand over resources to golddiggers that will never make it to their intended recipient, the child. Law and justice don't seem to intersect very often anymore.

[BillD1953]

Low rpm peak torque in the N20......I don' t care how the little 2.0 liter does it....it OK with me

[huma]

I am shocked bmw has deceived me. We need to unite and punish bmw for their trickery. Free M-Sport products for all!

[NEUE02]

I want my money back!

[SteveAustin]

How do I sign onto this class action lawsuit? I'm still waiting to get paid for pending settlements against AMEX's foreign exchange fees and defective SONY optical drive defects. Add this one in the mix I should be about $30 richer!!!

[doccyber]

Unbelievable.

[BentZero]

Originally Posted by SteveAustin

How do I sign onto this class action lawsuit? I'm still waiting to get paid for pending settlements against AMEX's foreign exchange fees and defective SONY optical drive defects. Add this one in the mix I should be about $30 richer!!!

You mean $0.30 richer!!!

[wjjkoevoets]

Originally Posted by BMWZ4

Ridiculous. Do your homework before you buy. A new car is probably the 2nd biggest purchase after your home. Investigate before shelling out your hard earned dosh.

I hope BMW lawyers bury him and make him cover court costs.

Twit.

Agreed, buyers have a repsonsibility to look into these topics before buying the car.

This lawsuit is completely ridiculous.

[shark715]

Originally Posted by SteveAustin

How do I sign onto this class action lawsuit? I'm still waiting to get paid for pending settlements against AMEX's foreign exchange fees and defective SONY optical drive defects. Add this one in the mix I should be about $30 richer!!!

Therein lies the problem with our system for class action lawsuits. It's not that class action lawsuits are inherently a bad idea, it's the judges that approve the settlements that are outrageously unfair to the class. They place a higher priority on paying out the attorneys for their time and effort, rather than looking out for the interests of the class. Not really surprising when you remember that judges are attorneys...so they are protecting their own. If all the attorneys can come up with is $30 for each class member, then they have failed, and they should be compensated accordingly.

[BarryJI]

It's all about one little word: "twin". If BMW had called it a "Dual Scroll Turbo" there could be no basis at all for an allegation of misleading the consumer.

[ORIGIN M.]

He needs to be made whole by BMW. I believe BMW should be forced to hit him as well as the entire legal team in their heads with a second turbo accordingly.

Originally Posted by shark715

Of course it's a cash grab, and if this was such an important issue to Bedi, his research would have easily uncovered the revised turbocharging scheme. Also, what are his damages?

On the other hand, as the attorneys I work with would say, the action probably has "settlement value".

[TiM235i]

I had a 2007 335i with an N54 and then got a 2011 135i with the N55. When I was test driving the car, the salesperson said yes when I asked if the car was still a twin turbo. I corrected her. But then again, she was amazed when I demonstrated the hill holding feature of the manual.

The point is the uneducated salespeople are much more to blame for any consumer confusion than "twinpower."

[huma]

Originally Posted by TiM235i

When I was test driving the car, the salesperson said yes when I asked if the car was still a twin turbo. I corrected her. But then again, she was amazed when I demonstrated the hill holding feature of the manual.

Wifey material right there. Did you marry her?

[pz619]

Originally Posted by TiM235i

I had a 2007 335i with an N54 and then got a 2011 135i with the N55. When I was test driving the car, the salesperson said yes when I asked if the car was still a twin turbo. I corrected her. But then again, she was amazed when I demonstrated the hill holding feature of the manual.

The point is the uneducated salespeople are much more to blame for any consumer confusion than "twinpower."

It's amazing how often I hear these stories. Before I got the M235i I drove the competition just to give myself piece of mind that I was making the right choice. I test drove a merc CLA45 AMG and asked a few questions about sport mode etc. Anyways we drove the car around town but the car felt lethargic and honestly... slow? Later come to find out when she put it in sport mode, it was actually whatever the merc equivalent to eco mode is. I only felt the capability of the car months later when I drove my friend's car. Wouldn't have swayed my decision, but I was shocked when I was asking questions during the drive, she was looking on the MBUSA website.

[MaximumG]

Interestingly, TwinPower Turbo in the M6 means two twin-scroll turbos, and three mono-scroll turbos in the diesel M50d.

[Uridian]

I was always under the impression that "TwinPower" didn't even exclusively refer to the turbo. Instead it refers to the valvetronic valves and direct injection paired with the turbo. It happens to also be twin scroll, but that's not what "TwinPower" means.

[kdog26372]

Dumb lawsuit as usual. The only valid thing it says is that the actual twin turbo is able to be tuned for more power. The N54's were in fact faster tuned cars, but BMW isn't making cars so people can up the boost more so that point while true is completely irrelevant.

Plus I had a 135i with N54 and now an M235i with N55 and in stock form the N55 powered car is significantly quicker than the old 135i despite being a heavier car. Most mags show the M235i about 1/2 second quicker to 60 than the old 135i. So power isn't really an issue despite having only 1 turbo. I would agree the 135i had better throttle with no lag at all whereas both my N55 X3 and now the M235i has some lag from time to time coming to a stop and then quickly trying to accelerate. I don't know if this is the tranny, computer program/traction control or the turbo, but it is a downgrade from the 135i. It's much better on the M235 vs. the X3 where it was downright dangerous sometimes changing lanes and punching it and nothing happening for 1/2 second.

Either way, useless lawsuit and I wasn't deceived nor should have anyone been.

[TBro2002]

Stupid. When I got my 228i I always assumed that "twin power turbo" referred to twin scroll. Also the word is "turbo" singular, not "turbos" plural. This idiot does not understand English.

[Mywifes335]

Based on my own account (2010 335i vs 2014 M235i) as well as looking at the modified N54/N55 cars....it appears that the N54 had markedly more performance potential and ease of adding power in comparison to N55.

[drexplode]

The plaintiff is a major troll. The marketing scheme doesn't make the car more or less enjoyable to drive. This tool should go back to Toyota where he probably came from.

This ass clown couldn't find the turbo under the hood if his life depended on it.

[rich8566]

This is a baseless cash grab. As a former owner of a 2007 N54 E90 twin turbo 335i, a 2011 E90 N55 twin-power 335i, a 2008 N54 5 series wagon and a 2011 N55 X3 and a current owner of a 2014 F22 M235i, I can adamantly state that there was never any confusion over how many turbos are in each car.

And while I can state that the N54 had more seat of the pants torque at say 65mph in top gear, I can also state that there is absolutely no discernible difference in track performance between the N54 and N55 in both of my E90 335i vehicles. With that said, track performance is materially improved in my M235i over both E90s. BMW should hire me as an expert witness to help them dispense with this baseless law suit.

On the other hand, I do have some things to says about the "upgraded" audio in my F22. Now this is a bait and switch with lesser components compared to the upgraded audio in both of my E90s, as well as in our 2008 5 series N54 wagon as well as in our 2011 X3!

[Luftwaffe1O1]

Originally Posted by rich8566

This is a baseless cash grab. As a former owner of a 2007 N54 E90 twin turbo 335i, a 2011 E90 N55 twin-power 335i, a 2008 N54 5 series wagon and a 2011 N55 X3 and a current owner of a 2014 F22 M235i, I can adamantly state that there was never any confusion over how many turbos are in each car.

And while I can state that the N54 had more seat of the pants torque at say 65mph in top gear, I can also state that there is absolutely no discernible difference in track performance between the N54 and N55 in both of my E90 335i vehicles. With that said, track performance is materially improved in my M235i over both E90s. BMW should hire me as an expert witness to help them dispense with this baseless law suit.

On the other hand, I do have some things to says about the "upgraded" audio in my F22. Now this is a bait and switch with lesser components compared to the upgraded audio in both of my E90s, as well as in our 2008 5 series N54 wagon as well as in our 2011 X3!

Heh, on that note, my girlfriend took her 135i in for service recently and got a 428 loaner. Man, even with the non HK system the 4 series sounded better