[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by williewonkerz

I refuse to believe there are peeps on the interwebz this rational or intelligent....

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[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by den525

What's the difference between the 228i vs 228 msport?

Seats, suspension... Pretty much it. But driving wise (not power) I notice a complete difference between the no line. That's just my personal taste, everyone has their own opinions.

[2msport]

Originally Posted by den525

Think you've got the numbers wrong... The 228 0-62 is 5.7 while m235 0-62 is 4.8... That's a little bit more than a tenth.

But on the OP I haven't driven a 228 or 235 with jb4... But am a little bit surprised how big of a difference it makes... As I did find the 228 very sluggish when I last drove one as a service car.

If it makes the car drives as good as you say people should really get it

Best stock 0-60 times: M235 to 228i respectivly
Auto. 4.4 & 4.9
6spd. 4.8 & 5.2

That's what I've seen from the magazines and quite frankly more realistic than BMWs numbers. let me know if anyon has seen anything different

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by 2msport

Best stock 0-60 times: M235 to 228i respectivly
Auto. 4.4 & 4.9
6spd. 4.8 & 5.2

That's what I've seen from the magazines and quite frankly more realistic than BMWs numbers. let me know if anyon has seen anything different

Yeah I see what you are saying that's why manual auto bridges the gap. But just to clarify I didn't go 0-60. I was testing it more mid range, turns, highway speeds, on ramps, off ramps and rolling starts. Just normal driving I guess. Still both phenomenal cars

[2msport]

Originally Posted by Thescout13

Yeah I see what you are saying that's why manual auto bridges the gap. But just to clarify I didn't go 0-60. I was testing it more mid range, turns, highway speeds, on ramps, off ramps and rolling starts. Just normal driving I guess. Still both phenomenal cars

Real world driving. I like your style

Yeah I just thought I'd throw it in for comparison.

[threepac3]

Originally Posted by den525

What's the difference between the 228i vs 228 msport?

M-Sport Aero Package, trunk-lid spoiler, summer tires, 2 coolers in the bumper, M-Sport suspension, M-Sport steering wheel, sport auto trans plus paddles, full leather sport seats and 155 mph limiter. Those are the big ones.

You have to get the Track Package in order to get the big brake kit, m adaptive suspension and variable steering.



~Phil

[den525]

Originally Posted by threepac3

M-Sport Aero Package, trunk-lid spoiler, summer tires, 2 coolers in the bumper, M-Sport suspension, M-Sport steering wheel, sport auto trans plus paddles, full leather sport seats and 155 mph limiter. Those are the big ones.

You have to get the Track Package in order to get the big brake kit, m adaptive suspension and variable steering.



~Phil

Lol apart from suspension it's the same as a no line.

[Viffermike]

Originally Posted by threepac3

2 coolers in the bumper ... full leather sport seats

You have to get the Track Package in order to get the big brake kit, m adaptive suspension and variable steering.

~Phil

'2 coolers': Not true. For 2015, M Sport Line does not get the second aux radiator. You now have to order THP -- to get the M Sport brakes, which is now the trigger for it in NA cars, including the 3-series and 4-series. See this thread.

Also: Leather is NOT standard with M Sport Line. It's only standard with the Premium Package or as a standalone option.

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by den525

Lol apart from suspension it's the same as a no line.

No it's not. Can't forget about the seats! Pssstttt hater hahahahaha jk man. I basically said it's exactly the same just minor some things. The steering wheel, the seats, and the suspension are what matter to me, and to me it makes a huge difference. But to the next guy no difference.

[Viffermike]

Originally Posted by Thescout13

No it's not. Can't forget about the seats! Pssstttt hater hahahahaha jk man. I basically said it's exactly the same just minor some things. The steering wheel, the seats, and the suspension are what matter to me, and to me it makes a huge difference. But to the next guy no difference.

And with those summer tires come some much better 18" rims, versus the No Line's 17" wheels. And: the No Line doesn't have an aux coolant radiator at all!

[sstarrx3]

Originally Posted by threepac3

M-Sport Aero Package, trunk-lid spoiler, summer tires, 2 coolers in the bumper, M-Sport suspension, M-Sport steering wheel, sport auto trans plus paddles, full leather sport seats and 155 mph limiter. Those are the big ones.

You have to get the Track Package in order to get the big brake kit, m adaptive suspension and variable steering.



~Phil

My base has the sport auto shifter with paddles...that has nothing to do with being an M Sport. The base can be ordered with the sport auto trans or steptronic.

[jskrilla]

Great review, really liked how you compared and weren't biased.

[den525]

Don't get me wrong I was asking what's the difference between m sport and no line because another poster made it sound like m sport is faster than no line... I was fully aware of the difference lol

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by jskrilla

Great review, really liked how you compared and weren't biased.

Thanks man!

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by den525

Don't get me wrong I was asking what's the difference between m sport and no line because another poster made it sound like m sport is faster than no line... I was fully aware of the difference lol

Haha so you were trolling lmao :

I'm just messing. To me it feels and handles better and faster. Although on paper really nothing at all... I personally care a lot about feel. My "feels" though may be completely off objectively or to other people. Maybe that's why car and drive has that extra "feels" section in their evals.

But you are correct there really isn't much a difference.

[atxlos]

This makes me want to get a JB4 for my m235i Though I have a lease so not sure how smart that would be.

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by atxlos

This makes me want to get a JB4 for my m235i Though I have a lease so not sure how smart that would be.

I do too. It's pretty much plug and play minus the posi taps. But if you do them well it will barely leave a trace if any

[escobar929]

Originally Posted by 2msport

Best stock 0-60 times: M235 to 228i respectivly
Auto. 4.4 & 4.9
6spd. 4.8 & 5.2

That's what I've seen from the magazines and quite frankly more realistic than BMWs numbers. let me know if anyon has seen anything different

Really? That doesn't seem right, 0.4 sec for one shift? Not sure when the 8AT shifts to third but BMW 0.2 seems more believable that 0.4

[sstarrx3]

Originally Posted by escobar929

Really? That doesn't seem right, 0.4 sec for one shift? Not sure when the 8AT shifts to third but BMW 0.2 seems more believable that 0.4

No matter how good a manual driver you are you will not be able the shift better and quicker than the auto. Maybe the car n driver mag guys were not as good on the stick as the bmw guys.

[escobar929]

Originally Posted by sstarrx3

No matter how good a manual driver you are you will not be able the shift better and quicker than the auto. Maybe the car n driver mag guys were not as good on the stick as the bmw guys.

of course, its been like that for a while, specially with DCTs but 0.4 sec is life time for just one shift. I could see in a 1/4 mile since there will be multiple shift but to 60mph, i just don't see it

they must not have double clutched and granny shifted...

[escobar929]

I also want to add that there's a 228i 8AT and a 235i 6MT in my garage so I'm familiar w/ both cars and trannys and the gap isn't that close in stock form, IMO

[sstarrx3]

Different drivers will have different experiences. Those numbers were from the guy at car and driver. Personally I have recorded a 5.0 0-60 in my 228i base with 17 inch rft P7s. Never driven the 235i...frankly the acceleration of the 228i makes me dizzy.