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I don't think an SUV/SAV/CUV, etc. is what is needed. The primary benefit of those taller vehicles is longer suspension travel which can help when the road surface results in full jounce and rebound. It seems OP is experiencing the harshness of smaller displacements on severely-edged rough pavement, i.e. potholes. The taller sidewall tire on a smaller diameter rim already discussed earlier should be quite adequate without giving up an entire vehicle.
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My advice (granted, I'm in Texas) is to invest in some forged wheels in combination with rubber more compliant than the PSSs. Forged wheels will be far stronger -- and lighter.
And I'm in akuan99's situation, too; I'm seriously considering year-round UHP all-seasons when I replace my RFTs (probably in the spring) primarily to hedge my bets in the wintertime in the Dallas area. I've done that on a few other performance cars -- RWD, FWD, and AWD -- and have been generally pleased with the tradeoffs vs. the risks, depending on the tire. I've historically gone for PS A/Ss, but may consider the DWSs for the BMW based on this thread's feedback -- and with the exception of Hankook and a couple others, i believe Continental and Michelin are the only two makers who offer UHP A/S tires that fit the staggered setup.
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Have you seen the new gen 2016 X1. Looks great... We had a 2013 X1 until last Feb and it was superior to any other SUV we've ever owned or test driven - it has a lot BMW performance and handling feel that we (BMW aficionados) love about the brand. If I were looking for something a bit more crappy road friendly, I'd certainly give the new X1 serious consideration.
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The all road is also a really nice car for what it is, and the XC60 is supposedly going to be amazing once they release the new one with all the goodies from the big one that just came out.
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01-14-2016, 07:34 PM | #28 |
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Hey guys, I ended up purchasing a replacement set of DWS06 for my car in the OEM size.
WOW, what a difference! I honestly wish I drove to the tire place right from the dealership. My car rides exactly how I want it to. It might be too soft for some of you hard core track guys, but for daily driving on the stupid roads of Philadelphia, it's as sporty as you can reasonably go. I don't think it will absorb a pothole impact like a thick sidewalk would, but driving over broken pavement and manhole covers are absorbed even better than a 17" 45/55 profile RFT on a 3/5 series (like I wanted to trade my car for). Another HUGE thing, is that these tires feel like there's much less rolling resistance, which has changed the car in several ways. Specifically, gear shifts are smoother because I lose less speed between gears, engine braking is actually necessary (before, with the pilot super sports, coasting was as effective as engine braking), and the steering feels a little lighter and more communicative. The car generally feels lighter on its feet. I think I'm going to see an increase in MPG as well, but I'll have to do a high way trip to confirm. I give these DWS06 a 12/10. Oh, and they also come with a 12 month road hazard warranty from continental! (Which hopefully I won't need)
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Glad to see you found a good tire that meets your needs. Being the office "car guy" people always ask me how they should spend their money on their cars. After I finish telling them they're better off lighting money on fire, I tell them to buy tires. 11 times out of 10, tires are the best bang for the buck upgrade all around. It is for this reason that my [eventual] m235i will have 3 (three) sets of wheels and tires. My wife is going to love it. 1) daily driving tires on stock wheels (probably something very similar to yours) 2) oversize width, square track tires on APEX wheels (if I get the gusto to track this car instead of my E30 in a couple years) 3) square tires with high performance winter rubber on 7.5" OEM wheels My E30 already has two sets and I'm picking up a third this year. It isn't that I'm a wheel whore, it's that I've been spoiled by driving on proper tires in appropriate conditions.
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M235i is fine in RI/CT/MA with the crappy roads we have around here. I usually leave it in comfort with TC off (so I get the nice MPE gargle) unless I am passing someone then I will switch it. Since the roads are much worse in the winter, I went with a tire with a bigger sidewall and got BBS wheels (don't trust the chinese ones). If you are cautious and try your best to go around huge potholes you should be fine. This is provided you havent lowered the car and played around with the springrate/bushings.
Try driving a old vintage porsche with delrin/polyurthane bushings, higher front spring rates, and bigger torsion bars in the winter. Nothing can be worse than that, except maybe driving an old model t. |
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Not sure you'll find what you're looking for in an M2 if the ride is already too harsh in an M235i...
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Believe it or not, M cars usually have fatter sidewalls than their m-sport 19 inch counterparts. Look at the F80 M3 with 18s. They have tractor tires . I'm sure if I had an F80 with DWS in 18s it would ride very well. And honestly an M car is an M car. You buy it knowing it's gonna be a pain in the ass.
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Its a performance car, not a Swarovski crystal statue.
it doesn't give a shit how many cracks in the road you drive over. If you think this car is to uncomfortable to be in buy a Buick or something lol. Because its not harsh at all no matter what tire is on it |
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I'd go down an 1" in wheel size with a lower performance tire. In my experience there's a huge difference from one tire to the next in ride quality. You have to avoid the ultra high performance tires with really stiff sidewalls, and you need to get some sidewalls too.
Those roads must suck bad. I just demo'd a 228 for 24 hours and it seemed to be fine on the bumps and seams. |
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Going back and re-reading your original post, I'm wondering if this isn't a relative perception? I say that because the M235i is my first BMW, and I'm coming from a background of 6 Mustang GTs and Camaro Z28s. All these were solid rear axle cars.
My first impression of the M235i on the 900-mile ride home from the PCD experience in SC, was that BMW managed to produce a better handling car than any I had ever driven. And at the same time, BMW also delivered a car with a much softer ride than my previous cars. Prior to the brand new S550 Mustang and 6th Generation Camaro with modern IRS, the Mustangs and Camaros handled pretty well for their size, but they did so by compromising the ride quality. Those cars rode like skateboards compared to the M235i. I feel like I finally have a sports car that is also close to a true luxury car with this BMW. And I especially like the PSS tires for their lack of noise, grip, and ride quality. That said, we did hit one horrendous highway pothole in NJ on the way home from SC, and it either bottomed the suspension or hit the rim hard, because there was a huge jolt and noise. I was sure we'd have a flat, but to my surprise, there was seemingly no permanent damage done. I've never hit such a pothole since, but if I was constantly running into them, then I would be worried about possible damage at some point - like I would with almost any car.
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