07-14-2015, 07:32 AM | #287 | |
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The really ironic thing you said in your post is that BMW made the choice to go turbo while the others didn't. Newsflash: Audi and MB are also turbo, and Porsche is literally on the verge of going turbo as well, unless you are talking about GT cars. But then we are talking about a completely different price bracket than the M2. Another ironic thing is that the GT4, probably one of the most hyped car in the past 10 years, is also a parts car (suspension from GT3, engine from C2S ect ect) When you are talking about taking the engines to redline, are you talking about noise or response? I've literally never heard anyone say that the N54 and N55 pull harder to redline than the S55. If we are talking about noise, then I agree, it's not the best. But I also happen to think the E46 M3 sounds pretty poor from factory too. I fully expect the aftermarket community to come up with something better eventually(just like they did for the E46). At the end of the day, I don't think the S55 sounds bad enough that I wouldn't consider it. What I really don't like is the coldstart sequence, it sounds awful. While I absolutely love the Cayman, the GTS just isn't the car for me. For one, it's way out of my budget. Secondly, I want to experiment with turbos because I've already got 2 NA cars that I plan on keeping. I still can't figure out what you are looking for your next car. You say that you would consider the 1M, but then say that the M2 has no soul? And while I love my E92, it's not even remotely close to the driver's car the Cayman is. But if you are set on something high revving, then this is definitely not the forum to be on. P.S. I should also mention that I'd never give up my E92 M3 for an M2 for what it's worth.
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07-14-2015, 07:36 AM | #288 | |
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Things like wheelbase, track width and just general size, which the M2 has over the M4 (for what I'm looking for) is not. In the grand scheme of things, those minor interior details are not going to sway me from a great driving car, assuming the price is right. Also, the brakes, the stiffness, the power... THOSE are improvements over the 1M that I care about.
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07-14-2015, 07:42 AM | #289 | |
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I hope they at least put an ///M Logo in the seat at least just to differentiate itself from the M235i...
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07-14-2015, 07:52 AM | #290 | |
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I'm just using the 1M and M235i as a gauge of how good this M2 should be. My absolute biggest thing is BMW's best effort at being a driver's car, while being priced correctly. Those are huge concerns to me.
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07-14-2015, 07:53 AM | #291 |
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I am honestly not too bothered with what seems like some corner cutting by BMW here.
I see they have brought some nice things over such as the iDrive by the looks of things, the DCT tranny as well, but I just hope that this corner cutting makes its way to the consumer/client/future owner as a cost cut on the total package. |
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I just don't see how this car cannot be priced between $49K-$52K at most considering that if you look at the M235i it has M goodies to begin with at a $43,100 price point. It's not suppose to be a new engine just tuned, quad exhaust, bigger wheels, wide body, the calipers look the same(correct me if I am wrong) but drilled rotors added, DCT, LSD? and blue stitching in the seats. With the 435i ($46,250) and M4 ($64,200), a $17,950 starting price difference but with way more M Goodies/Performance Parts and a totally different engine. Your thoughts again on this?
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07-14-2015, 11:20 AM | #294 | |
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As for the M2, it's not just an N55 with a tune, but rather N55 with S55 components. Unknown which components at this point.
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07-14-2015, 12:52 PM | #296 | |
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+ ///M Development time, but a lot less than the M3/4 + Wider body panels + M3/4 suspension + M3/4 brakes + M3/4 Wheels + M3/4 LSD + M3/4 Steering Rack + Quad Exhaust + M3/4 Side Mirrors + ///MDCT In addition to this the M2 will have more ///M badges as most ///M part carry the badge (i.e., control arms, body molding, etc.).
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the +20 BHP over the standard N55 is simply the PPK...no higher of a redline...the wheels aren't any bigger or wider than on the 135...no mechanical LSD...no DCT...no ///M brakes...perhaps they fiddled a little with the suspension, but I honestly could never tell that was the case, as there was no appreciable difference (suspension/dampening wise) between comfort/sport/sport+ from my vantage point... The M2 will check all those boxes, whether or not is has a CF roof, hood bulge, or florescent yellow stitching (or whatever it is that people want)... PS - I am not being facetious or flippant - I am curious as to what "goodies" the 235 has that you refer to?
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07-14-2015, 02:06 PM | #298 |
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M Performance cars, as far as I know, have no M GmbH goodies. They are sligthly more tuned towards sportiness compared to the M Sport models they are based on, but again, no M GmbH stuff. There are some hardware changes, yes, as well as software.
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07-14-2015, 02:12 PM | #299 |
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Let me re-iterate.
If you are too busy focusing on stitching or colour over any priority contributing aspect of the M2 that matters. Then the M2 will not be the car for you.
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The M2, from a handling standpoint, will be far superior to the 235.
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Of course. How's this even a discussion topic I don't know.
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What are we supposed to focus on? How well it drives? How the hell are we supposed to do that? How are we supposed to focus on anything other than the hint at stitching we see in spy shots and covered body panels? How about you release the car already and then we can focus on what's important? Until then we will focus on minutiae.
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No once again it is déjà vu.
Some of you allowed yourself to focus on the minor details whilst overlooking the areas that deemed the 1er M Coupe a fantastic car. Now it is happening again. Some of you missed out last time because of this. It would be foolish if you done the same again. It will come when it comes. Not when you want it to come.
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Agreed. As a former 1M owner, I could care less about the seats. My biggest concerns are with the purity of the driving experience (hopefully simpler and more back-to-basics than the M4), unique detailing to differentiate it as a truly special M car, and rarity (hopefully keeping production right around the same as the 1M). It is shaping up to be all of that, but I just hope it turns out to be as special as the 1M was.
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You lot forget that the reason you are looking at the M2 is because you want the old school M3 sizes, that's the REAL reason its being made. M4 is too big and we want small agile M car same size as e30,e36 and e46 days. So again why not give it the additional goodies as I've mentioned. You can talk about you don't care about seats you can swap them out blah blah BUT the point is I should not have to when paying this money on a car that is supposed to be the "drivers car" pick over the entire M range. As was mentioned earlier other manufacturers can do it on less priced cars so BMW can do it! We are the M enthusiasts and BMW should listen and you lot need to wake up and realise your being sold a 3/4 baked M car! |
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