[Adem1534]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I know that. Re-read my post

My point is that the M2 is no more related to the M4 than the 2-series is related to the 4-series.

Well I think you're wrong in the nicest way possible, since the M2 has a series of M4 components in the engine, and has the M4 wheels, suspension and modified M4 chasis, all of which the normal 2 series does not have.

So yes, the M2 is closer to the M4 than the normal 2 series.

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by jtodd_fl

I have never owned the e39m and have limited wheel time in one, however, I will tell you that I LOVE my e92. Just sayin'. Love it. Planned to get rid of it for the F82. Couldn't, so I have them both. Then, when I ordered my F87, decided I can't let it go. *sigh*. I need a bigger garage!

Yeah, I just don't think it makes sense for me. The e46m is better at fun and/or involved driving (which is all it gets used for), the e39m is better and high speed highway and/or seating 4 in comfort (which is all it gets used for), the e90m would sort of the average of the two... so if I replaced either, it would be worse for its intended purpose.

If I only had one car, and it had to be a 4 door, then I think it would make sense.... or an e34m with euro engine...

I do know exactly what you mean on no being able to let go, though. I had an e9Xm on preorder (first allocation at my dealer) back in 2008... but couldn't break away from the e46. It's just the perfect car for my wants. I love every single thing about, and can't seem to get really enthused about any other cars because of it.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Obioban

Yeah, I just don't think it makes sense for me. The e46m is better at fun and/or involved driving (which is all it gets used for), the e39m is better and high speed highway and/or seating 4 in comfort (which is all it gets used for), the e90m would sort of the average of the two... so if I replaced either, it would be worse for its intended purpose.

If I only had one car, and it had to be a 4 door, then I think it would make sense.... or an e34m with euro engine...

I do know exactly what you mean on no being able to let go, though. I had an e9Xm on preorder (first allocation at my dealer) back in 2008... but couldn't break away from the e46. It's just the perfect car for my wants. I love every single thing about, and can't seem to get really enthused about any other cars because of it.

That's why you add, not replace.

Not saying that's a good idea financially, but that's what I'm doing. I want absolutely no regrets, been there, done that.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

You logic is flawed.

The regular 2 series underpinnings are all 3&4 series underpinnings. The M3/4 underpinnings are different than the regular series car in exactly the same way the M2 underpinnings are different from the regular 2-series car. Based on that, the M2 is derived from the 2-series just as the M3 is derived from the 3-series.

Except that....the parts are the same for the M cars?

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I know that. Re-read my post

My point is that the M2 is no more related to the M4 than the 2-series is related to the 4-series.

I read your post twice and then re-read it here.
Did you re-read your own post ? Like @packpride85, I think I know what you wanted to say but I don't think it's worded correctly, either

[Robin_NL]

Yeah, I'm getting a little confused here:




Cheers
Robin

[Verbiage]

At this point, I honestly have to look at the thread title to figure out what's going on in here.



So, nothing new, in other words.

[335BOY]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

Well I think you're wrong in the nicest way possible, since the M2 has a series of M4 components in the engine, and has the M4 wheels, suspension and modified M4 chasis, all of which the normal 2 series does not have.

So yes, the M2 is closer to the M4 than the normal 2 series.

........and brakes I believe.

[stefan]

Originally Posted by redux

That's where you are going wrong. You assume that there was something wrong with the 1M, when it's actually perfect for what it is. Owners are looking for fun, not luxury or outright speed. It pings the fun meter at street legal speeds. Many of us can afford far more expensive toy's, but stick with the 1M because it's hard to beat in the smiles per mile department. Will the M2 be better? Who cares, I've found my happy zone with the 1M.
Journalist seem to love every new car because the because there aren't many truly bad car's for sale in the US anymore. I will agree with you that BMW's marketing department's love for comparing newer models to those of old is a waste of time, though. But, they don't have many choices at this point. The M4 almost got done in at the track by a manual $40,000 Camero SS on Goodyear run flats..... then proceeded to lose the rest of the test.

Well honestly man, it wasn't perfect for me. But if it is for you, that is the best possible thing you can ever hope for in car ownership. I am actually really glad that the 1M perfectly fits your needs. Most of us spend forever (and.. way too much money) trying to figure out what we want. Sometimes we mod or just sell and start over. So you make a compelling point and if that is where 1M owners are at, and they aren't feeling M2 envy, that's pretty much ideal.

But yeah I mean there once was a time that BMW made completely nutty vehicles. E39 M5 was actually the fastest sedan in the world at the time. the E46 M3 CSL set records all over the place. The S54 was a masterpiece. BMW still makes good cars but has figured out the sweet spot to sell them. Put an M badge on it, make it stiff, tune it, and collect $.

As for your Camaro comparsion whaaaaat???! Where did that go down?

[swagon]

Originally Posted by Obioban

Yeah, I just don't think it makes sense for me. The e46m is better at fun and/or involved driving (which is all it gets used for), the e39m is better and high speed highway and/or seating 4 in comfort (which is all it gets used for), the e90m would sort of the average of the two... so if I replaced either, it would be worse for its intended purpose.

If I only had one car, and it had to be a 4 door, then I think it would make sense.... or an e34m with euro engine...

I do know exactly what you mean on no being able to let go, though. I had an e9Xm on preorder (first allocation at my dealer) back in 2008... but couldn't break away from the e46. It's just the perfect car for my wants. I love every single thing about, and can't seem to get really enthused about any other cars because of it.

I think the F80 would be a better replacement for the E39; it's bigger, has torque, etc., but has turbos so that's prolly the biggest issue for you I guess.

Did you love the E46 as much as today when it was stock? Yours is heavily modified from what I have read on the other forums.

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by swagon

I think the F80 would be a better replacement for the E39; it's bigger, has torque, etc., but has turbos so that's prolly the biggest issue for you I guess.

Did you love the E46 as much as today when it was stock? Yours is heavily modified from what I have read on the other forums.

The F80 is turbo, EPS, and just too freaking big. Feels huge on the road, even compared to the e39. I have zero desire for one-- if i were buying a current BMW, it would be an M2.

I like my M3 more than when it was stock, other than not wanting to put miles on it because I'll still have it 40 years from now. The way it's set up, it's 300 lbs lighter than stock, 100 hp more than stock, still bulletproof reliable on track (or street), rides better than stock, handles better than stock, brakes better than stock, sounds better than anything else I've heard, has no drone, and has the best headlight output of anything on the road. Why would I like it less?

Though I do enjoy stock as well-- it makes it less "serious". I've debated, on and off for years, building an e46 M3 sedan, modded for low running costs (instead of performance), to use as a DD. Or an e39 530i with s54 and 6mt
(530i was 600 lbs lighter than the M5, AND had R&P steering (V8 e39s has reticulating ball steering, which has worse feel). One the S54/6mt/LSD was swapped in, would still be ~500 lbs lighter than an e39m, but only 100-150 lbs heavier than the e46m, but with a stiffer chassis and larger back seat... and spare tire...)

[hyperzulu]

The actual video review has or has not been posted yet? Why are we on seven pages without a review?

[dammitcubs]

Man....Ignition is taking their sweet ass time to put a video together...what is taking them so long? Are they going to wait til April 16th?

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Adem1534

Well I think you're wrong in the nicest way possible, since the M2 has a series of M4 components in the engine, and has the M4 wheels, suspension and modified M4 chasis, all of which the normal 2 series does not have.

So yes, the M2 is closer to the M4 than the normal 2 series.

OK, I think I get what you are saying. That the the M2 and M3/4 share a lot of components. Which is a very fair point.

The way I see it though, is that the 2-series was still the starting point to make the M2. The ///M division then went out to figure what they could do to the 2-series to make it a proper ///M car. Since, the 2 and 3&4 series share the same uni-body, it made sense to re-use the underpinnings and retune them for the 2-series chassis. I don't think ///M division started with an M4 and found a may to make it an M2 .

I guess it is only a question of perspective. In the end it is the result that counts, and the M2 seems like one nifty little car .

[jtodd_fl]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

OK, I think I get what you are saying. That the the M2 and M3/4 share a lot of components. Which is a very fair point.

The way I see it though, is that the 2-series was still the starting point to make the M2. The ///M division then went out to figure what they could do to the 2-series to make it a proper ///M car. Since, the 2 and 3&4 series share the same uni-body, it made sense to re-use the underpinnings and retune them for the 2-series chassis. I don't think ///M division started with an M4 and found a may to make it an M2 .

I guess it is only a question of perspective. In the end it is the result that counts, and the M2 seems like one nifty little car .

This is a balanced and reasonable and downright gentlemanly response. What are you, Canadian? Also - I agree with your sentiments above. It was more a 2-series plus, not an M4 minus. At least, that would be my assumption, from an engineering and build perspective.

[bradleyland]

I'm waiting for someone to make the argument that they started with a 4-series...

<< Not Canadian :P

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

I'm waiting for someone to make the argument that they started with a 4-series...

<< Not Canadian :P

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by redux

Motortrend on demand, it should up on their youtube channel by the end of the month.

You'll generally find your vehicle happy point a few cars after you buy or build something that's so fast it sucks the fun out of driving.

Forum fellow ItsaGoose posted a heads up that the Motor Trend "Ignition" review of the M2 featuring Randy Pobst is now online:
http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1234684