[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

And an update just two weeks more recent than the previous one brings us The News of the Year:

Ladies and gentlemen, get ready for BMW M2!

woah! a big change from all the 4-cylinder talk that's been around. how accurate has your source been thus far?

[Esteban15]

nothing to confirm anything so far..rumors upon rumors..thats my take..but expect a M2...manual only in 2016 stripped down to 75,000...and starting adding up
limited production too...okay that's my take...nothing confirmed on anything..

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

woah! a big change from all the 4-cylinder talk that's been around. how accurate has your source been thus far?

Not every model moves from engineering tests to production. But if it does go into production, it always is exactly as specified.

The reason is simple: by the time I see a new model, its design is finalized. Possibly, option lists are not settled, and some tweaks can be made based on test results, but the general blueprint is there.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by Esteban15

nothing to confirm anything so far..rumors upon rumors..thats my take..but expect a M2...manual only in 2016 stripped down to 75,000...and starting adding up
limited production too...okay that's my take...nothing confirmed on anything..

This is not a rumor.

Both manual and automatic are in the works.

You... should... really... cut... down... on... ellipses...

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Not every model moves from engineering tests to production. But if it does go into production, it always is exactly as specified.

The reason is simple: by the time I see a new model, its design is finalized. Possibly, option lists are not settled, and some tweaks can be made based on test results, but the general blueprint is there.

Very interesting! Thank you for this info!

[stressdoc]

I am still holding out hope for the Z2 M with extensive carbon fibre weight 1k K.

Coupe and convertible variants visually similar to i-8 but designed for mass production -- ideally priced around $50 - 60k; engine options include hybrid w/ 3 cyl, & 4 cyl turbo; monster N55B30T0 probably too much to fit in.

This would represent the new wave of enthusiast vehicles for BMW, but adhering to M tradition of extraordinary performance. Direct challenge to Porsche Boxster & Cayman, Alfa 4C, but with broader appeal given BMW engine options.

Not sure why BMW needs to collaborate with Toyota on this, but if it lowers costs, all is good.

Likewise I hope for more 4 cyl ultra-high efficiency diesels, and diesel-hybrids, e.g., in the 220, with fuel mileage over the rubicon of 50mpg. Unfortunate that the 328d only rates 45mpg -- in reality >50mpg easily obtainable on highway. VW is exploiting that marketing niche better than BMW. Not sure if diesels can do much in USA with price of diesel 25¢ more than premium + demand so high in Euro and other markets.

Still wondering if BMW missed out on an opportunity to be a big player in the high volume market when they did not take my suggestion to buy Ford when share price was around $5...

[ynguldyn]

Added SOP/EOP info for many models.

[SamS]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Added SOP/EOP info for many models.

Great stuff, thank you.

[the_phew]

- 328d, RWD and xDrive, N47D20O1, manual and auto

Would be great to see a diesel with an available manual, but I won't hold my breath. VW sells boatloads of manual TDIs (in wagon/hatch form no less), but it doesn't seem like BMW wants a piece of that market in the US.

[w3rkn]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

The X1 is outselling the F31 by a considerable margin. The new X1 arrives around the same time as the LCI F31. Expect a shift in priorities.

Can you tell us what those priorities are..?

And do you really think your SUV steals sales from a your wagon..? Or, is that just your excuse for not understanding your own customer..?

[Smooth 330i]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

And an update just two weeks more recent than the previous one brings us The News of the Year:

Ladies and gentlemen, get ready for BMW M2!

Great!

What is the est. availability time? Amy other tech spec gossip?


Thanks

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by w3rkn

Can you tell us what those priorities are..?

And do you really think your SUV steals sales from a your wagon..? Or, is that just your excuse for not understanding your own customer..?

F31 Touring sales in the US are about 1-2% of European sales.
The X1 sells in much higher quantity than the F31 3er Touring.
The truth is wagon sales in North America are almost extinct. North American customers want the SUV not the wagon that is understanding what the customer wants.

The new BMW X1 will be offered to the US Market as xDrive only , it arrives in the first half of 2016 in which it will offer my space and practicality than the current model as well as more up to date technology and more style utilising more of the current X family design language. It will also sire a BMW X2 Sport Activity Coupe as well as the next MINI Countryman and PACEMAN (which will be more X6 like with 5drs.

Just to make the priority shift sound more interesting.
BMW in North America are selling more F34s than F31s.

[bimmerjph]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

F31 Touring sales in the US are about 1-2% of European sales.
The X1 sells in much higher quantity than the F31 3er Touring.
The truth is wagon sales in North America are almost extinct. North American customers want the SUV not the wagon that is understanding what the customer wants.

And why is that Scott?? Could it be that BMWNA never markets the F31? Nearly every BMW ad you see is for a X1,X3, or X5. I have never seen one that features a wagon. Hell I'd be willing to bet that most customers don't even know BMW makes a wagon.

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by bimmerjph

And why is that Scott?? Could it be that BMWNA never markets the F31? Nearly every BMW ad you see is for a X1,X3, or X5. I have never seen one that features a wagon. Hell I'd be willing to bet that most customers don't even know BMW makes a wagon.

It's corporate-speak for forcing onto the market what they want customers to buy. Pure propaganda. When you import models customers do not want, and then do not allow them to buy what they would want, it's pretty easy to arrive at the wrong conclusions. What gets rewarded is what gets done, and BMW does not reward the executive management chain to meet customer needs...rewards/incentives/performance plans are all geared at the financialization of BMW car sales. The customer comes last, EPS goals first.

[EJL]

Originally Posted by bimmerjph

And why is that Scott?? Could it be that BMWNA never markets the F31? Nearly every BMW ad you see is for a X1,X3, or X5. I have never seen one that features a wagon. Hell I'd be willing to bet that most customers don't even know BMW makes a wagon.

Americans just don't buy wagons. Just because you and a lot of enthusiasts on this forum like wagons doesn't mean BMW should cater to a small segment.

[MPowerZ32]

Is M2 going to have S55 engine? BMW used to drop the M3 engine into smaller Z's. If they do the same again with M2 I'm sold!

[track_warrior]

Any guess as to when the M2 will be released?

[mattu]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Just to make the priority shift sound more interesting.
BMW in North America are selling more F34s than F31s.

I think a big reason BMW NA sells more F34s is because it has about as much room for passengers as a 7 series. The F31 would probably sell better if it offered substantially more passenger space than a F30, like the F34 does.

[MazdaFan]

Originally Posted by mattu

I think a big reason BMW NA sells more F34s is because it has about as much room for passengers as a 7 series. The F31 would probably sell better if it offered substantially more passenger space than a F30, like the F34 does.

I am driving an X1. I have been wanting a 3 series wagon for ever, but the current pricing favors X1 by a large margin. It also has the option of RWD, which F31 doesn't have anymore.

Configured similarly an X1 xDrive 28i costs about 9k less than F31. The only trade off is lower quality interior, the chassis is allegedly superior to F31 and space is competitive (shorter, narrower but taller).

[ynguldyn]

Added production dates for the M2.

[secretanchitman]

If the OPs list is anything to go by, then the 4 GC SOP with B58 will be in March 2016? Wouldn't the B58 go into the 3 and 4 series at the same time (next year)?

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by secretanchitman

If the OPs list is anything to go by, then the 4 GC SOP with B58 will be in March 2016? Wouldn't the B58 go into the 3 and 4 series at the same time (next year)?

Not in the U.S. If we're talking about 328i/428i, 4 series will get B58 at LCI in March 2016, and 3 series will get it a year _after_ its LCI, in July 2016.