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      01-15-2014, 03:52 PM   #1
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We had a chance to sit down with Oliver Ganser, Product Strategy and Market Intelligence Manager at BMW, to discuss the M235i and 228i Coupes [Official Thread], which are having their world public debuts at Detroit this week and next. See our M235i/228i photos from the show.

Q: Does the M235i share the same electric power steering (EPS) system as the F20 M135i?
A: It's the same system as the M135i, but different than the new M3/M4's EPS. The EPS in the M3/M4 received a lot of structural improvements.

Q: What improvements were made to the N55 engine for the M235i application, if any?
A: It's a normal N55 engine, but receives an enforced crankshaft (cast iron was replaced by steel), adjusted software engine mapping, and improved cooling system.

Q: Does the M235i manual transmission feature rev matching?
A: Not yet.

Q: Does the M235i feature active sound design like the M135i?
A: Yes.

Q: Are the M Sport brakes better than the 6 piston brakes from the E82 135i?
A: The 4 piston fixed caliper together with the tires gets you better braking performance than the 6 piston E82 135i brakes. The brakes on the M235i are very similar to the standard M3/M4 brakes. The biggest difference is that the M3 has a larger brake disc. The M235i was tuned by the M division afterall.

Q: How do the different available suspension compare?
A: The 228i has four suspension levels - standard, M Sport (which gives a lower ride but no adaptive function), Adaptive M (discussed below), and M Performance.

The M235i in the US has no optional suspension, except the upcoming M Performance Suspension. The M235i comes standard with Adaptive M Suspension. But, even if you were to equip a 228i with Adaptive M Suspension, it's a different system than in the M235i. They share everything except that there are electronic valves on the dampers of the M235i, which help it stick even better to the road and react better, as well as providing a smoother and less bumpy ride. This is something unique that you can only get on the M235i (and no other 2 Series).

[BIMMERPOST: For information on the M Performance Suspension for the M235i/228i, we will speak to M Performance Product Specialists at a later time].

Q: Does the M Adaptive Suspension behave differently in Sport and Comfort modes?
A: The suspension remains adaptive in both modes, but differs in stiffness between the two modes.

Q: Will there be Individual options for the 2 Series?
A: Not at this time. Leipzig is not an Individual-capable plant right now.

Q: What is the timeframe for the convertible 2 Series?
A: We stopped the 1 Series convertible production already. If there was a successor [BIMMERPOST: which, of course has already been spied], we don't want to have 2-3 years in between cars.

Q: Can the US expect xDrive models?
A: I think we learned our lesson on not having xDrive. In the Northern and Eastern parts of the country, xDrive is one of the main elements to sell cars. There's a good chance the cars will offered with xDrive.

Q: When will the M Performance Parts for the 2 Series be available?
A: Those responsible for them are trying to get these parts out as soon as possible, but I think we have to talk about the parts individually when talking about availability dates. They could become available piecemeal - at different times. The limited slip differential (LSD) is one of the popular parts people are waiting for. BMW itself is producing these; they're not bought off the shelf. And the demand for it is far exceeding our initial estimates. We were scaling production for x amount, but now the demand looks much higher. So the question is how do we get these parts out. [BMW is working hard on it.]

Q: Will M Performance Parts be factory, port or dealer installed?
A: They will be port or dealer installed. That is the current plan.

Q: Any plans for diesel models?
A: There are no plans currently for diesel models for the US.

Q: Should we expect an gran coupe or M2 model?
A: Everything is possible. We will not let our folks down. We will have something that is really exciting.

Interesting tidbit that came up during our interview: "What we have seen on our tracks is that this car [M235i] is faster than a 1M Coupe." This backs up what Klaus Froehlich, Senior Vice President Brand and Product Strategies at BMW, said in an interview last year - that the M235i will beat the 1M Coupe around the Nurburgring.

Also see: 2014 BMW M235i and 228i Pricing Guide (U.S.)

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Very exciting stuff. Do wish, however, that there was more information on M Perf parts at this point in the ball game. Thanks nonetheless!
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For me 2 points still outstanding:

What is the MPPK that will be available for the m235? Cooling only or more power?

19 inch wheel option?

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Interesting note about the M235i being quicker around certain tracks than the 1M. While I still think that BMW will deliver an M2 at some point, this adds more fodder for the argument against one coming out.
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awesome! this car keeps getting better and better
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Agreed.

I'm still keeping a small amount of hope alive, but these cars are so good that there likely isn't much room left between them and the new M3/M4. I'm betting we'll still see an M2 eventually, but I have a bad feeling it will be longer than we'd all like.
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Interesting note about the M235i being quicker around certain tracks than the 1M. While I still think that BMW will deliver an M2 at some point, this adds more fodder for the argument against one coming out.
It will be very hard to argue a case for one, especially with M Performance parts available. There is a point where M2 sales would start cannibalizing M4 sales.
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This car sounds really, really awesome. Great questions (and answers). Thanks!
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"The limited slip differential (LSD) is one of the popular parts people are waiting for. BMW itself is producing these; they're not bought off the shelf. And the demand for it is far exceeding our initial estimates."

No shit. Everyone asks for an LSD since the E30, now it is a surprise?!
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A good set of Q&A! The M235i keeps on getting better
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If I were going to be looking at doing a 228i I could not be any more confused by suspension options and henceforth less interested in purchasing
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It will be very hard to argue a case for one, especially with M Performance parts available. There is a point where M2 sales would start cannibalizing M4 sales.
What about all the BMW customers who won't buy the M4 under any circumstances because it has become to large a car?Those buyers are waiting for the M2.BMW is just not confirming it right now because at this time it is all about the debut of the M3 and M4.Scott has already confirmed that there will be an M2.
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I bet a real M2 won't happen until the next generation. I wish the car had available HUD, LED headlights and surround view camera's. I guess there is hope for those items at LCI.
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I don't get it...the 1M had more HP, more torque, and the adjustable rear suspension from the M3. It had the "M" button for throttle response. It was lighter than a 135i. How does the M235i beat it around the Ring? Was it driven by the Stig?
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Shame they don't do individual at Leipzig, or say a M235is that comes standard with a LSD plus some other cosmetic CF parts and racey seats for example.
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What about all the BMW customers who won't buy the M4 under any circumstances because it has become to large a car?Those buyers are waiting for the M2.BMW is just not confirming it right now because at this time it is all about the debut of the M3 and M4.Scott has already confirmed that there will be an M2.
The time frame between M4 Coupe and M2 Coupe will be around two years to on sale date so there is plenty of opportunity and of course time to establish the M4 as the mid-level Coupe. And creating space for the M2.

At BMW time is important in establishing new models or determining the next course of action for further progression.
It is best to take this time and do it right rather than rush it and get it so wrong.

There is a 2er Gran Coupe due which is expected to be shown as a Concept car first but it is effectively a four door 2er but with a slight wheelbase stretch but you still get that rounded dynamic coupe roof.

Anyway it adds for some really exciting compact and sub-compact models coming from BMW. For as well as the M2 there will be a JCW MINI which will see the JCW brand adopt a more BMW M. Philosophy in performance , character and exclusivity.

And then we are possibly looking at an X1 M which will be in many ways closely related to the M2 in key significant areas.
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Does the 228 have the same EPS system as well?
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So it begs the question: how does the E82 6 piston brakes compare with the same "tires?"
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The time frame between M4 Coupe and M2 Coupe will be around two years to on sale date so there is plenty of opportunity and of course time to establish the M4 as the mid-level Coupe. And creating space for the M2.

At BMW time is important in establishing new models or determining the next course of action for further progression.
It is best to take this time and do it right rather than rush it and get it so wrong.

There is a 2er Gran Coupe due which is expected to be shown as a Concept car first but it is effectively a four door 2er but with a slight wheelbase stretch but you still get that rounded dynamic coupe roof.

Anyway it adds for some really exciting compact and sub-compact models coming from BMW. For as well as the M2 there will be a JCW MINI which will see the JCW brand adopt a more BMW M. Philosophy in performance , character and exclusivity.

And then we are possibly looking at an X1 M which will be in many ways closely related to the M2 in key significant areas.
That's great new. Me and some of my buddy's are going to wait on this M2. Two years seem like a long wait, but time does fly. Even though the prices for the M4 came out and was impress how it wasn't around the high $70k as a base price. But at the end what makes me wait is the size of the car not the price.

Quick question Scott, will there be another JCW coupe, in more of M division? I know you said JCW is getting closer to what M is for BMW. But will that happen in the next gen mini coupe JCW?

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The time frame between M4 Coupe and M2 Coupe will be around two years to on sale date so there is plenty of opportunity and of course time to establish the M4 as the mid-level Coupe. And creating space for the M2.

At BMW time is important in establishing new models or determining the next course of action for further progression.
It is best to take this time and do it right rather than rush it and get it so wrong.

There is a 2er Gran Coupe due which is expected to be shown as a Concept car first but it is effectively a four door 2er but with a slight wheelbase stretch but you still get that rounded dynamic coupe roof.

Anyway it adds for some really exciting compact and sub-compact models coming from BMW. For as well as the M2 there will be a JCW MINI which will see the JCW brand adopt a more BMW M. Philosophy in performance , character and exclusivity.

And then we are possibly looking at an X1 M which will be in many ways closely related to the M2 in key significant areas.
Thanks again Scott for the great info.
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