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      01-03-2014, 09:52 AM   #23
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There's no M2 planned.
I keep hearing no M2, then definitely M2.

Scott, our insider, came out with a post guaranteeing an M2 is in the works. I can't imagine that BMW would forgo the massive success of the 1er M coupe - they could monetize the brand equity in that car for a longer production run on the new model variant.

My suspicion is that you and many others on the forum are serving the 2 marketing strategy well - as long as they aren't testing a quad piped fender flared 2 coupe on the ring in camo, you'll believe there is no M2 coming and buy a lesser 235 M for almost the same price (just like what happened with the 135is vs. the 1er M coupe). I'm sure the M gmbh finance folks appreciate the recovery of R&D out of the 235 M for a year or two until word hits on the imminent arrival of the superior (and more bang for the buck) M2.

Could be wrong, but doesn't the approach make sense? if BMW said you can either buy a 235 M for $44k and option it with standard M features (like LSD) for another $5k or wait two years and buy a base M2 for $49k, what would happen to the sales figures on the 235? As long as you say there is no M2 in order to sell 24 months of higher margin 235 Ms, BMW can use the platform to make a killing on a cult-like following of the 1er M coupe and bank some solid capex recoupment in the process.
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Hahaha within 8 comments we're discussing the M2 again... I know we all do it sometimes but this topic has been all but concluded previously.

No one has reviewed the M235i yet but still folk cannot contain themselves and have to keep worrying about something that has been 95% confirmed by between the lines talk, before actually driving something that looks amazing and has been 100% confirmed.
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So the only reason remained to buy the M235i is "the earlier you get one, the earlier you can enjoy"
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So the only reason remained to buy the M235i is "the earlier you get one, the earlier you can enjoy"
Good point!
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ive bought an M235i, i wont be buying an M2. It will be too much money to buy, run and insure and wont offer much over the M235i which is already good enough to go VLN racing in near standard form with standard ZF 8spd
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pretty nice - they need to get a lot of momentum behind this car early so the M2 doesn't over canabalize even more sales.

I think its funny that you can take a $44k base price and build an almost M2 for another estimated $4-$6k (limited slip diff, m performance exhaust, etc.). I'd imagine the M2 price, if built, will start in the $50k range. Just curious how many folks spend $50k on this thing and then bash the M2 when (or if) its released at a starting base.
There's no M2 planned.
You're 100% wrong !

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      01-03-2014, 10:37 AM   #29
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ive bought an M235i, i wont be buying an M2. It will be too much money to buy, run and insure and wont offer much over the M235i which is already good enough to go VLN racing in near standard form with standard ZF 8spd
+1, but with the 6MT.
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There's no M2 planned.
You have consistently said this my man--but no one knows if you're using the force or if you actually have some sort of source ???

IIRC, you work for a dealer, right? No offense, but dealers are not considered the ultimate authority on what is/is not happening with BMW.

99/100, when I walk into one, I know more than any of the people selling the cars.

So just don't be surprised that relatively few folks here are going to take your "There's no M2 planned" as gospel.

Just sayin....
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M2 with 375HP, if it comes out, will be at least $10k over the M235 with 322HP. Since the M4 is 425HP at ~$65k, compared to 435i M Sport at around 50k, there doesn't seem to be much of a business case for a low volume car like the M2.
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pretty nice - they need to get a lot of momentum behind this car early so the M2 doesn't over canabalize even more sales.

I think its funny that you can take a $44k base price and build an almost M2 for another estimated $4-$6k (limited slip diff, m performance exhaust, etc.). I'd imagine the M2 price, if built, will start in the $50k range. Just curious how many folks spend $50k on this thing and then bash the M2 when (or if) its released at a starting base.
There's no M2 planned.
The fact that the M2 is so awaited and talked about by most in the M235i threads is enough to confirm that BMW wont have choice but to built one, unless they're not there to make money!
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Im not a big fan of all new BMW cars having similar front bumpers.
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I keep hearing no M2, then definitely M2.

Scott, our insider, came out with a post guaranteeing an M2 is in the works. I can't imagine that BMW would forgo the massive success of the 1er M coupe - they could monetize the brand equity in that car for a longer production run on the new model variant.

My suspicion is that you and many others on the forum are serving the 2 marketing strategy well - as long as they aren't testing a quad piped fender flared 2 coupe on the ring in camo, you'll believe there is no M2 coming and buy a lesser 235 M for almost the same price (just like what happened with the 135is vs. the 1er M coupe). I'm sure the M gmbh finance folks appreciate the recovery of R&D out of the 235 M for a year or two until word hits on the imminent arrival of the superior (and more bang for the buck) M2.

Could be wrong, but doesn't the approach make sense? if BMW said you can either buy a 235 M for $44k and option it with standard M features (like LSD) for another $5k or wait two years and buy a base M2 for $49k, what would happen to the sales figures on the 235? As long as you say there is no M2 in order to sell 24 months of higher margin 235 Ms, BMW can use the platform to make a killing on a cult-like following of the 1er M coupe and bank some solid capex recoupment in the process.
Exactly,Scott has consistently said in a few posts that there will be an M2 but not for a couple of years.
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pretty nice - they need to get a lot of momentum behind this car early so the M2 doesn't over canabalize even more sales.

I think its funny that you can take a $44k base price and build an almost M2 for another estimated $4-$6k (limited slip diff, m performance exhaust, etc.). I'd imagine the M2 price, if built, will start in the $50k range. Just curious how many folks spend $50k on this thing and then bash the M2 when (or if) its released at a starting base.
There's no M2 planned.
...my ass. BMW is about profit. There gonna slap "M" on everything they can at this rate.
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If there is an M2 I am willing to bet money it will be a 4 Cylinder turbo or even hybrid...... Unless, it will be the fruit of the Toyota-BMW plans then MAYBE you will see a 6 cylinder.
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M2 with 375HP, if it comes out, will be at least $10k over the M235 with 322HP. Since the M4 is 425HP at ~$65k, compared to 435i M Sport at around 50k, there doesn't seem to be much of a business case for a low volume car like the M2.
I don't see the M2 starting at 54k. I also don't see it having 375HP as well. Maybe around 350-360HP.

The 1M base was around $47k. I'm sure the M2 will have a base of $49k.

Maybe I am unaware of this but when has BMW ever introduced a new gen model for $7k+?
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Maybe I am unaware of this but when has BMW ever introduced a new gen model for $7k+?
Technically, it's not a new gen model, since it's going from 1 to 2. BMW main reason to change designations is justify the markup for the coupe version, ala MB C and E coupe sharing the same C sedan platform, but having $3k/10k price delta compared to the sedan.
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BMW main reason to change designations is justify the markup for the coupe version, ala MB C and E coupe sharing the same C sedan platform, but having $3k/10k price delta compared to the sedan.
Right. But they redesigned the 1 series (2007-13) and made it the 2 series (next gen 2014-20). Even if it was still called the "1 series," it would be considered new gen with the redesign.
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I keep hearing no M2, then definitely M2.

Scott, our insider, came out with a post guaranteeing an M2 is in the works. I can't imagine that BMW would forgo the massive success of the 1er M coupe - they could monetize the brand equity in that car for a longer production run on the new model variant.

My suspicion is that you and many others on the forum are serving the 2 marketing strategy well - as long as they aren't testing a quad piped fender flared 2 coupe on the ring in camo, you'll believe there is no M2 coming and buy a lesser 235 M for almost the same price (just like what happened with the 135is vs. the 1er M coupe). I'm sure the M gmbh finance folks appreciate the recovery of R&D out of the 235 M for a year or two until word hits on the imminent arrival of the superior (and more bang for the buck) M2.

Could be wrong, but doesn't the approach make sense? if BMW said you can either buy a 235 M for $44k and option it with standard M features (like LSD) for another $5k or wait two years and buy a base M2 for $49k, what would happen to the sales figures on the 235? As long as you say there is no M2 in order to sell 24 months of higher margin 235 Ms, BMW can use the platform to make a killing on a cult-like following of the 1er M coupe and bank some solid capex recoupment in the process.
Here is the quote I referenced from Scott - not sure why there is a lack of belief...

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I have seen some early preliminary sketches although not respondent of what the car will look like but the creativity behind the visual aspects is underway.
Engineering has already commenced.

But I must repeat there will be an M2 but it is not coming tomorrow.
For now this is the M235i's moment. The gap in both cars between will allow appetites to be whet and new ideas to be conceived and thoroughly evaluated.

The gap will also allow the new M3 and M4 breathing space.
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If there is an M2 I am willing to bet money it will be a 4 Cylinder turbo or even hybrid...... Unless, it will be the fruit of the Toyota-BMW plans then MAYBE you will see a 6 cylinder.
Seriously?

The will be an M2 but not a bloody hybrid. That's about ridiculous as it sounds...

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I keep hearing no M2, then definitely M2.

Scott, our insider, came out with a post guaranteeing an M2 is in the works. I can't imagine that BMW would forgo the massive success of the 1er M coupe - they could monetize the brand equity in that car for a longer production run on the new model variant.

My suspicion is that you and many others on the forum are serving the 2 marketing strategy well - as long as they aren't testing a quad piped fender flared 2 coupe on the ring in camo, you'll believe there is no M2 coming and buy a lesser 235 M for almost the same price (just like what happened with the 135is vs. the 1er M coupe). I'm sure the M gmbh finance folks appreciate the recovery of R&D out of the 235 M for a year or two until word hits on the imminent arrival of the superior (and more bang for the buck) M2.

Could be wrong, but doesn't the approach make sense? if BMW said you can either buy a 235 M for $44k and option it with standard M features (like LSD) for another $5k or wait two years and buy a base M2 for $49k, what would happen to the sales figures on the 235? As long as you say there is no M2 in order to sell 24 months of higher margin 235 Ms, BMW can use the platform to make a killing on a cult-like following of the 1er M coupe and bank some solid capex recoupment in the process.
Here is the quote I referenced from Scott - not sure why there is a lack of belief...

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I have seen some early preliminary sketches although not respondent of what the car will look like but the creativity behind the visual aspects is underway.
Engineering has already commenced.

But I must repeat there will be an M2 but it is not coming tomorrow.
For now this is the M235i's moment. The gap in both cars between will allow appetites to be whet and new ideas to be conceived and thoroughly evaluated.

The gap will also allow the new M3 and M4 breathing space.
That's it, I'm waiting for the M2 LCI
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I don't see the M2 starting at 54k. I also don't see it having 375HP as well. Maybe around 350-360HP.

The 1M base was around $47k. I'm sure the M2 will have a base of $49k.

Maybe I am unaware of this but when has BMW ever introduced a new gen model for $7k+?
I had hoped that the M2 would be $49k too--but now that we have the M235 pricing, I am guessing it will be north of 50K...
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