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      12-27-2012, 12:48 AM   #45
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Hopefully, so we could all go and buy one to company the elder brother 1M in the garage.
Well Oz, you've said the magic words here 'cause I was thinking of something really crazy and spectacular when the time comes.....a group buy of sorts where BMW///M can provide some guidance, coordination assistance and possibly a touch of exclusivity (via Individual) if a die hard group of maybe 10 or so enthusiasts were in for an M2 euro delivery experience?? One big one on the same day of course. And a massive party to boot!! The ///M people can be really accommodating and BMW Welt equally so.

I think it could be done and there's a decent amount of time for planning such an international venture - if buyers were willing to wait for decent Euro driving weather of course. And if, and only if, release to the various world markets was at approximately the same time. And if....and if....and yes there are a ton of stumbling blocks but a great bunch of enthusiasts would no doubt be willing to jump through hoops to make this work. Including BMW I suspect.

I've already penciled in June/2015 for my 2 week E.D.#2. I figure the more the merrier!!! If it's too early to plan, I'll gladly regurgitate the idea next year.

Here's to hoping!!
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      12-27-2012, 12:49 AM   #46
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I personally think it looks great. It resembles the f10 a lot... But I love the f10
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      12-27-2012, 02:04 AM   #48
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      12-27-2012, 03:56 AM   #49
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I guess I'm the only one who sees this as the future Z4/Z3 M Coupe...
I mean think about it, "Look for aggressive restyling, The M2 will feature a wider track and wider rear fenders, as well as four exhaust finishers"

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      12-27-2012, 04:46 AM   #50
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You might be... The Z3 will be a smaller back to basics car.

The Z4 will move upscale and become the Z5.


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I guess I'm the only one who sees this as the future Z4/Z3 M Coupe...
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As pointed out a couple of posts above, most of the renders are awful. This one isn't. If the M2, as Scott26 aludes, is close to this....it's going to be a long, long wait!!
Hope bMW will copy you Mr. Irani. what a beautiful render.
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      12-27-2012, 06:30 AM   #52
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I think/ hope that will be an M2 GC too, once Merc will release CLA 45 AMG soon and Audi have plans for an RS3 Sedan...
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M2 + I6 = FAIL
M2 + I4 = WIN

You think BMW is going to give the M2 the engine from the M4? Or you think an OEM tuned N55/N56 is worth an M badge? The N55 is almost as heavy as S65.

If you want I6 just get an M4, if you can't afford M4, but want I6, just get M235i. Let the purists get I4.

If it was only about I6 smoothness, why did BMW give the E9XM a V8? Why did M3 E30 have I4 whereas 325i E30 had I6?

The M2 is about handling, and 328i F30 handles better than 335i F30. If the next M2 gets an I6, it will be the same car as the current/previous E82M: good car but wrong powertrain.

A heavy I6 is inacceptable in a lightweight M2.
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      12-27-2012, 10:11 AM   #54
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Put auto on it this time and I'll buy one. Great renders, keep em' coming!
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1) I thought Scott has said that there will be an M2 Gran Coupe as well.

2) I thought Scott has said that the M2 will be an I4 turbo.
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Oh you M3 people are all so silly lol !!! We're only rootin' for the 2 door version. And it won't have 4 cylinders btw. Going to join us my friend???
Scott has said numerous times that M engineers have done extensive work on the N20 motor. He as also said numerous times that a 235i and an M2 will mimic the days of the E30 where the M3 had the four cylinder engine.

My take: M2 - 4 cylinder (330 hp); M3 6 cylinder (440hp); M5/6 8 cylinder (550hp)

Another interesting tidbit: a successor to the N55 is soon to be out on x40i models... I don't see the M division getting their hands on it early and tunning the hell out of it just for the M2. Beside we have already seen the new M3 motor and it already looks like the successor to the N55 and I highly doubt the M3 will share a motor with the M2.

M2 will be a 4 cylinder.
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      12-27-2012, 11:00 AM   #56
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M2 + I6 = FAIL
M2 + I4 = WIN

You think BMW is going to give the M2 the engine from the M4? Or you think an OEM tuned N55/N56 is worth an M badge? The N55 is almost as heavy as S65.

If you want I6 just get an M4, if you can't afford M4, but want I6, just get M235i. Let the purists get I4.

If it was only about I6 smoothness, why did BMW give the E9XM a V8? Why did M3 E30 have I4 whereas 325i E30 had I6?

The M2 is about handling, and 328i F30 handles better than 335i F30. If the next M2 gets an I6, it will be the same car as the current/previous E82M: good car but wrong powertrain.

A heavy I6 is inacceptable in a lightweight M2.
This. I agree with everything said here. M2 will be a 4 cylinder.
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      12-27-2012, 11:40 AM   #57
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You are on.. How much?

1) It might be I6 and I really hope it will be a derivative of new M3/M4 engine.
2) It might be all new I4 and not uprated N20....

Odds are not in your favor...

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      12-27-2012, 11:47 AM   #58
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if this car ends up being a 4 i will pass. if it ends up with a 6 i will sell my 1M and purchase this thing.
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      12-27-2012, 12:54 PM   #59
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if this car ends up being a 4 i will pass. if it ends up with a 6 i will sell my 1M and purchase this thing.
Agree, a detuned M3/M4 engine(down to 2.5-3.0L?) with ~380-400hp sounds like a plan. BMW needs to have a gap between M235i and M2, and detuned M3/M4 engine fits the best -- Lowest R&D cost, light weight, plenty of power with fuel economy.
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You are on.. How much?

1) It might be I6 and I really hope it will be a derivative of new M3/M4 engine.
2) It might be all new I4 and not uprated N20....

Odds are not in your favor...
An uprated N20 in the M2 would be the same thing as the engine in the M4, which is an uprated N55.

N20 and N55 having many parts in common, the M2 would also use some of the M4's I6 parts on its I4 engine.
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      12-27-2012, 03:58 PM   #61
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Scott has said numerous times that M engineers have done extensive work on the N20 motor. He as also said numerous times that a 235i and an M2 will mimic the days of the E30 where the M3 had the four cylinder engine.

My take: M2 - 4 cylinder (330 hp); M3 6 cylinder (440hp); M5/6 8 cylinder (550hp)

Another interesting tidbit: a successor to the N55 is soon to be out on x40i models... I don't see the M division getting their hands on it early and tunning the hell out of it just for the M2. Beside we have already seen the new M3 motor and it already looks like the successor to the N55 and I highly doubt the M3 will share a motor with the M2.

M2 will be a 4 cylinder.
Nice logic there, maybe it's a bit of a wishful thinking but I would love to see that more than another inline six; not because I don't love the sixes but because it is time to invest more on lightness and smaller displacement for M.
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      12-27-2012, 04:20 PM   #62
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All of this is great news...

But do understand, the M2 will be lighter than the 1M coupe & much more refined and focused. It will def have a 4-cyl w/ secret M-sauce..

I would expect nearly 200lbs lighter and slightly higher revs, with matching tq figures as the 1M coupe. Win/win
Everything you say here is possible and loveable too. The only exception is the tq figure, you are not going to have a matching tq to a 1M from a 4 cylinder turbo. The avarage dyno puts stock 1Ms 550-560 nm range, way above advertised 450+50 nm figure. For the moment the highest tq from a 2 liter 4 cylinder in a mass production car is (correct me if I am wrong) the Astra OPC which makes 400 nm (equal of a regular N54 or N55, but just on paper, all N54s and N55s make more) and in the near future we will see the production car record very probably broken by the Mercedes A45 AMG with 450 nm from their new 2 liter. So, none of them in reality matches, even gets close to the N54 version in the 1M.

For people who likes to put it in perspective the 1M makes around 360 hp and the full bolt on cars with a tune (but keeping the stock turbos) easily passes 450 hp, with most aggressive tunes going low 500s. Those cars are able to hit 700 nm or more tq, which is higher than a Aventador's V12 and in the same level with a stock F10 M5.

In short, you are not going to have much more than that really in any small M car in the foreseeable future but since making power is not at all the most significant part of an M car, I am absolutely not denying progress here. Lightness is the key. 1M was not a light car, not at all, it is a heavy car for the size but the tq makes it feel light in most circumstances which is not the same thing. That's probably only real issue with 1M imo.

This is nothing more than a little note, limited on tq figure, on your high expectations from the M2, otherwise I would love to see what you describe happens in the near future: really light, small or compact enough, powerful enough, torquey and a bold design. If these all blend together well then it will have the most important of all, a character of its own and not 1M's or new M3's. Make it BMW M and I will cry amen!
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It is interesting because as far as I know preliminary testing is underway that means they have not made any overall decision to what is suggested in the article. It is true they have done work on the N20 and thinking logically it is the preferred choice.
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If everything happens as it is written here then it will be a 2015 1M in a new suit which may or not be that great depending on the suit.
considering the suit of the 1M (or at least the E82 1 series) wasnt that appealing to most.... that may not even matter. if it's a hit (and how could it not be) it will be based on handling, power and dynamics more than anything else.... just like the 1M.
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It will be best BMW move yet to keep inline 6 with Turbo(s) in M2!!
360hp is an excellent number with matching torque numbers..
Keep it light.... keep inline 6 - winning formula..

yeah.. because BMW has NEVER had a winning formula with a 4 cylinder motor in an M car..
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The only bad thing I can find about this car is the wait!

I have been buying BMWs since 1998 and M cars since 2004. I consider myself a hard-core BMW and M fan but have not been too excited about recent offerings, including the M X5/X6 and F10 M5/F12 M6 (although I confess the M6 GC looks great). I liked the E9X M well enough but it wasn't special enough to replace my E39 M5 (after over 8 years of ownership, I'm never giving it up!). The E86 M coupe pushed the right buttons for me, leading to my most recent M purchase.

The 1 M was the first new BMW I was genuinely excited about since the E86 M Coupe. Manual only, limited frills, all performance. Extended drives (my friend ownes one) of the 1 M found that it lived up to all my expectations. I have VERY high hopes for the M2. The combination of longer development time and much greater production numbers vs. the 1 M will ensure this car is a "game-changer."

the 1M was a game changer... this is a continuation... DUH!
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