[Antares]

Originally Posted by formula M

but He didn't.

Who is this "He" with the big letter? (use PM)

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

It's the 4er that will start the mass hysteria. Then it will be known...

are we going to have half of the V10 in it? ~

[Antares]

Originally Posted by Frosty

are we going to have half of the V10 in it? ~

No, we are getting double the price surplus, aka mass screaming.
That's why 4 Coupe in Mandarin Chinese sounds like Death Coupe (not that it sounds much better in any other language).

german: 4er sounds almost like Führer (firer; aka a certain dictator from the II. World War)
italian? serie quattro (quattro is used for a whole book of phrases; abito qui, a quattro passi; quattro gatti; fare quattro chiacchere; fare quattro salti; dirne quattro a qualcuno;.....)

[Frosty]

..This is BMW's answer to the Hyundai Velositor 2 / 1d + hatch

Originally Posted by Brookside

This is the one that has me excited.....2-Series Grand Sport Tourer. Scott mentioned that it's only speculation that anything like this will reach the market- but to me it's such a perfect fit for what younger people....20-30-ish people who've just gotten their first decent paying professional jobs who want to reward themselves with a BMW... one that reflects their concept of style.
And for - ahem- slightly older people like me who see their cars as a source of youth and fun.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

I think you'll be surprised to see otherwise

Red.... please may you be right.... I'm hoping that the 4-er (and 2-er) will have headlights pulled away from the grill.....

in a way it makes sense to differentiate the 3er from 4er in this way... perhaps the idea to connect the grill to the lens in the 3er was a great way to harken in the 4er and its uniqueness apart from the 3er in this visual way

[pikcachu]

So if production for the F22 begins Nov 2013, I guess it should be available early 2014...

Do any of you recall what was the time span between the F20 was released and the M135?

I suppose M235 would be out by end 2014?

[Nang Vann]

interesting....

[southlight]

Originally Posted by pikcachu

So if production for the F22 begins Nov 2013, I guess it should be available early 2014...

Do any of you recall what was the time span between the F20 was released and the M135?

I suppose M235 would be out by end 2014?

Unlike for the F20, I expect the M235i to be avaiable right away. BMW did the same for the F21 so really no reason to hold it back.


Best regards,
south

[ptack]

The shape under camo looks rather Audi-ish.

[Antares]

Originally Posted by ptack

The shape under camo looks rather Audi-ish.

Well, if BMW unintentionally managed to summarize Audi design with half ton of concealment panels, you can imagine what kind of garbage Audi design is.

[formula M]

Originally Posted by southlight

Unlike for the F20, I expect the M235i to be avaiable right away. BMW did the same for the F21 so really no reason to hold it back.


Best regards,
south

LOL..
We won't see a 2 series until 2014 MY..


Funny thing is, look at all the people leaving the BMW brand for E46 sized vehicles, elsewhere.

My mother included^ (64yrs old), whom passed on the new 3 series for an ATS, soley because of the size & slugish handling of the 3 series. Her words to me were "Seems like BMW tried makign their cars more luxurious, by adding a foot to them all..., I don't need a larger car, or more luxury than my last car." It is true!

Point is, BMW is missing the mark & dragging their feet... 2 series should already be out. (CEO should've felt the pulse of the economy and known to fasts-track more efficient & focused cars, over luxurious ones)



BMW... who actually needs a larger, bigger car? (think 7 series)
Coincidentally, other than BMW, what manufacturer is actively persueing more metal, more resources, for heavier cars? Even Caddilac got ride of the "I'm on a boat" style of cars.

We just want a manual, small BMW w/rwd & lsd... guess BMW is not my brand anymore..? I mean, I dropped off $2k @ dealer for 1M coupe and was denied.. explain that to BMW marketing, of why BMW doesn't want my money, then.. to tell me & others to wait 5 years..?

I have very little confidence in BMW producing a car that I want before 2015.. might just go pick up a BRZ for a few years until BMW realizes that enjoyment of driving trumps any other reason for buying a BMW... otherwise you can buy a non-BMW.