[red-sauerkraut]

Great to see this car in action.

Originally Posted by NELSON.MLGB

BMW 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 series, where is 9 to complete the collection?? lol

It is coming at some point. Don't you worry.

Expect that platform to be shared w/Rolls Royce.

[Marioalex24]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

The important thing to remember between the last generation and this generation of 1er (F20) is that it is a second generation model.

At BMW for first generation models they are given a mandatory two year establishment period to determine whether they are successful for further model progress. The F20 does not need that because we have had the first generation of 1er to prove how popular and successful the series is that considering second generation models is actually more simpler than in first generation as what will be replaced , deems a replacement because they are already established.


As I said on the F20 Forum, you will be watching the seventh Star Wars film before you get behind the wheel of an M2.
There is still some time to go.
There will be a M235i model in the F22/F23 and F24.



Last time as they say , they got cold feet because of the M3. This time as I informed some journalists at the private i3 Coupe Preview night and at the LA Autoshow today without giving the secret (which is already known) Everything for the 3er Coupe and Cabrio replacements will be new , everything.
It is going to happen.
Last time around Audi did not have the A5 to show why seperating your line is more lucrative.

I remember back in late 2004 seeing both the 135i M Sport with a 2er badge and a E92/E93 with a 4er badge. Now BMW understands the potential and it is bringing these designations to reality.

What's the estimate time for the M2? Will it be similar to the 1M? I hope so because that's what I want. I'm willing to wait, but just want to have an idea. Thanks.

[npd2983]

Originally Posted by richardg

I was pretty excited for this and then I saw the new Cayman. Man the industry is giving me a hard decision between an M2, Cayman, or BRZ and Keeping the E92. Lots of cool stuff out there.

Good luck with that BRZ! Subaru is playing the same sort of game in the States as BMW played with the 1M Coupe. Yes, its made, but no you can't really buy one unless you are on some list, wait forever and a day, and pay way over the sticker price.

Let's keep our fingers crossed that BMW reduces the top heavy/bloat factor when moving from the current 1 to the new 2!

Cheers!

[My E90]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

As I said on the F20 Forum, you will be watching the seventh Star Wars film before you get behind the wheel of an M2.
There is still some time to go.
There will be a M235i model in the F22/F23 and F24.

Any hints as to a US launch window for the 235i? Unveiling at the IAA and then what?

And as always, SCOTT26... thank you for all the great informaiton!

[SOL403]

Interesting

[BMW-RaceR]

I wonder how much the negative reaction to the headlights of the F20 1-series influenced the design of these lights.

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

None. The only people who have negative reactions to the lights are people on forums, never actually seen the car and outspoken media who a majority have yes, never seen the car in real life.

Ill quote a large Norweigan car review (a review that gets published on several other sites)
Headline: BMWs ugly duckling!

Ill do a rough translation of one paragraph.
Not prettier in real life
Vi though maybe the car would look better when we saw it in real life. Often cars look better in real life than on pictures....
......But we find the 1-series to be as little charming as we though. The big downside is the front with the big headlights.

I you watch say, Chris Harris reviews of M135I and Audi RS3. You can easily tell between the lines that he does not like the look of the 1-series. (He has written so). But many car magazines have to try and stay objective about the looks and wont fault the looks just because they personally are not a big fan.
I have read several reviews that are not too fond of the headlights.

I see the same everywhere on car forums. In the US, UK and other places. There are few people who find the headlights good looking and attractive. Most say they are ugly.

You might say, but that are only forum people, they are a special breed of people that only complain. Of course people will easily express their negative opinion about a car on a forum. But everybody I have asked and talked with would say the 1-series have the least attractive headlights of 1-5 series cars. Many think they are ugly.

The first time I went into a BMW dealer and saw it, a sales man asked me what I though. I said it looked nice, much better than in the pictures. That blurted out of me. But I don't really find it good looking at all with the headlights. Which is the main reasons why I have stayed away from it. I still might be a potential customer, I could live with the looks since its such a good RWD car, but I hope they come with a face-lift on the 1-series soon. And that the 2-series will look good!

[formula M]

Originally Posted by Antares

It's quite logical.
The 2 series cars are coming out few years after the 1 series.
In this few years there are always design shifts and new market expectations.
It's impossible to present a new fresh 2 series car, that stays on the market for 7 years, with a design that is already "lived out".
Or think in the opposite direction; one year before the new 1 series comes out, the sales of that "old" design are already at the lowest point; so the 2 series is a "dead" design at half of its life-exactly what happened to the 1 series Coupe right now.

Or^

Since the fact that from 2013 on... BMW is renaming their entire line up, so that Coupes are evens series, & Sedans are odd series.

2 series, 4 series & 6 series are the sporty coupes w/performance orientation above that of their siblings.. the anomoly being the 2 series. Since there is no corresponding equivaliant, as the 1 series will be FWD.

Not hard to understand. You want a 4-door M Car, you get an M3, if you want a 2-door, then M4, etc.




2 Series: (which use to be the old 1 series)

Think on this.. the 135i in-all-rights is a formable car. With a proper LSD it was enough for many Americans. But the thought of a performance version of the 135i drew endless nights of sleep for many wanting a euro pony car.

It was realized by Dr Kay Segler, as the 1M coupe and IMO it is quintessential BMW. Now.. given the prowess of the 1M, BMW has basically 5 years to use their secret sauce for a M2.

MoAr lighter, moAr handling.. etc.


If the thought of a M2 doesn't get your heart pumping, you do not understand the 2 series.

[Wolf]

so the 2er coupe is the new e46 coupe

[Wolf]

I think the 2er headlight can be rendered already.. here's my cheap-ass trying to figure out the headlight design... I used windows snipping tool



and Here's the same thing done to the F20



The big question now remains whether the headlights will be attached to the grills like the F30

[Antares]

Originally Posted by richardg

The BRZ is the Subaru variant of the FT86 toyota (which is a scion FRS here) I am looking for something very small to accompany my E30.

Originally Posted by dtwyim

Boxer engine
Rear wheel drive
Zenith

In case you really want to know

I see; I don't know the market position of Subaru in The States; here it's practically less than a niche brand; I think that in Germany it has a 0,25% market share.
This BRZ is not even a mainstream model of this exotic brand...

Anyway, if you want something small and practical you could try with Range Rover Evoque, or Jaguar F-type Coupe.

[Antares]

Originally Posted by formula M

Or^

Since the fact that from 2013 on... BMW is renaming their entire line up, so that Coupes are evens series, & Sedans are odd series.

BMW is not ranaming their entire line up just because somebody got out of his-her bed in the morning with an idea.
There is a hard market need behind it; the 2, 4, 6 series Coupes, Gran Coupes and Convertible models are placed on the market few years after the 1,3,5 series cheaper sedans.
The investment in 2,4,6 series does not return, if this more expensive versions get an "outdated" design status after 3 years because the cheaper 1,3,5 series already entered with a new generation styling.

With the separate 2,4,6 series nomenclature BMW introduced (is introducing) a separate model line; these cars should not be considered a 3series Coupe. 5series and 3series are technically as much similar as the new 4series to the 3series.

[vladberca]

Two series models will have a huge success much more than first generation of 1 coupe/ convertible had!
Plus, the 2 series GranCoupe will be such a refined and attractive 4 door head turner

[Brookside]

This is the one that has me excited.....2-Series Grand Sport Tourer. Scott mentioned that it's only speculation that anything like this will reach the market- but to me it's such a perfect fit for what younger people....20-30-ish people who've just gotten their first decent paying professional jobs who want to reward themselves with a BMW... one that reflects their concept of style.
And for - ahem- slightly older people like me who see their cars as a source of youth and fun.

[SamS]

Originally Posted by Wolf

The big question now remains whether the headlights will be attached to the grills like the F30

Seems like a safe assumption.

[formula M]

Originally Posted by Antares

BMW is not ranaming their entire line up just because somebody got out of his-her bed in the morning with an idea.
There is a hard market need behind it; the 2, 4, 6 series Coupes, Gran Coupes and Convertible models are placed on the market few years after the 1,3,5 series cheaper sedans.
The investment in 2,4,6 series does not return, if this more expensive versions get an "outdated" design status after 3 years because the cheaper 1,3,5 series already entered with a new generation styling.

With the separate 2,4,6 series nomenclature BMW introduced (is introducing) a separate model line; these cars should not be considered a 3series Coupe. 5series and 3series are technically as much similar as the new 4series to the 3series.

Yes, obviously.. but you made it seem as if you didn't understand the end-effect.

Nobody is caring why BMW is doing this, only that they have done it. And He didn't know it was being done, or under what framework.

[Antares]

Originally Posted by formula M

Yes, obviously.. but you made it seem as if you didn't understand the end-effect.

Nobody is caring why BMW is doing this, only that they have done it. And He didn't know it was being done, or under what framework.

The end effect is that BMW is going to have new separate model lines, that are going to be further diversified in the future; by exterior and interior styling.

Of course, the marketing is going to have a feast with those wanting Gran Coupes and similar en Vogue models. Or at least they'll try.

[red-sauerkraut]

Originally Posted by Wolf

so the 2er coupe is the new e46 coupe

We'll see

[BMW Puritan]

Really looking forward to the 2 Series arriving at the dealers - can't wait!

They're going to sell like hotcakes!!

[eezzee]

Proportions look very promising...2013 is going to be a vintage year for new cars.

[red-sauerkraut]

Originally Posted by Wolf

The big question now remains whether the headlights will be attached to the grills like the F30

Originally Posted by SamS

Seems like a safe assumption.

I think you'll be surprised to see otherwise

[ekelly]

Now with BMW's new naming strategy in full flow. I hope that any future BMW does not grow anymore in size.

If the 1 series is too small; get a 2 series.
If a 2 series is too small; get a 3 series
So on and so forth.

As BMW listens to its current owners to get an idea of what the market might like. Lets hope that wanting/needing your current car with more room inside, is met with a response of upgrading to a larger model in the series line up instead of making the current car larger.

[formula M]

Originally Posted by Antares

The end effect is that BMW is going to have new separate model lines, that are going to be further diversified in the future; by exterior and interior styling.

Of course, the marketing is going to have a feast with those wanting Gran Coupes and similar en Vogue models. Or at least they'll try.

Most here don't look at cars through marketing-colored glasses.

Also, if it is defferent chassis, then (again...) you are stating the obvious of them being a "seperate model line". That is the whole idea and purpose behind a new naming scheem, is the need to refine the chassis for individual groups of buyers.

I know this & you know this... but He didn't.





BTW... est for //M2 is 2015