THE LARGEST BMW 2-SERIES FORUM ON THE PLANET
2Addicts
2Addicts
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
2Addicts | BMW 2-Series forum BMW 2 Series (F22) Forum BMW 2 Series Coupe and Cabriolet (F22/F23) General Forum BMW 2 Series Gran Coupe and 2 Series Gran Sport Tourer : Dr Jekyll & Herr Hyde

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      10-02-2012, 10:57 PM   #23
speedfan
Major
 
speedfan's Avatar
 
Drives: BMW
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: HCM City

Posts: 1,105
iTrader: (2)

i wanna see a sport car from BMW, something like Subie BRZ, Toyota 86.

Did you know the COG of the Subie BRZ/Toyota 86 is better than the Porsche Cayman, & only behind the Ferrari 360?
*drool*
__________________
My e90

Frozen Grey. Dry CF Roof. Vorsteiner Double Sided CF Boot Lid. OSS. BMW Performance Aero Kit. BMW Performance CF Diffuser Cover. BMW Performance CF Trim. Robson Design Steering Wheel. Advan RS. Michelin PSS. H&R Touring Cup Kit. BMW Performance Brakes. Eisenmann Race Rear Muffler. ESS Directflash
speedfan is offline   Vietnam
0
Reply With Quote
      10-02-2012, 10:59 PM   #24
richardg
Major
 
richardg's Avatar
 
Drives: e36M / e92M / e36 328i
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Bloomfield Hills Mi.

Posts: 1,288
iTrader: (5)

I am very excited for the 2 coupe Scott26. I hope I will see it before the M4. Would rather go with the smaller and cheaper M variant, but I am hoping it is quite a good looking car. Plus I am not interested in a performance 4 cyl that has been rumored for an M2. Keep up the great work!
richardg is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      10-02-2012, 11:50 PM   #25
Jspeed
Enlisted Member
 
Drives: E46 330i
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Vancouver, BC

Posts: 42
iTrader: (0)

I'll take an M2GC w/ an inline-6 please. It'd be the E46 M3 sedan that BMW never made.
Jspeed is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      10-03-2012, 12:44 AM   #26
ovekvam
Colonel
 
Drives: F20 116i M-Sport
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Bryne, Norway

Posts: 2,068
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by speedfan View Post
i wanna see a sport car from BMW, something like Subie BRZ, Toyota 86.

Did you know the COG of the Subie BRZ/Toyota 86 is better than the Porsche Cayman, & only behind the Ferrari 360?
*drool*
I agree. This segment used to be BMW domain. The Toyota GT86 is technically very similar to the E30 M3. BMW has gone in the direction of more weight, more luxury, very poor engine response, and less driver involvement. Some of the M-cars are still fairly sharp, but the basic models are nowhere near as involving to drive as an E30 318iS used to be.

I have had a string of BMWs, and want my next car to be a BMW, but if BMW can't provide Fahrfreude anymore, I will have to consider the Toyota GT86 instead. Several of my BMW enthusiast friends are also going from BMW to this car.
ovekvam is offline   Norway
0
Reply With Quote
      10-03-2012, 01:00 AM   #27
Remonster
Captain
 
Drives: M3 6MT VT2-625 - 335is DCT
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: San Diego, CA

Posts: 938
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jspeed View Post
I'll take an M2GC w/ an inline-6 please. It'd be the E46 M3 sedan that BMW never made.
Agreed, since the US won't get the 1 series hatches, a four door 2 series makes even more sense than a 4 or 6 Gran Coupe.
Remonster is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      10-03-2012, 01:05 AM   #28
Antares
The Garden of Evil
 
Antares's Avatar
 
Drives: dark-blue coupe
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Europe; rolling between Italy and Slovenia

Posts: 295
iTrader: (0)

Let's get back to reality; 4 series (4 door pricing)? a 3 series with a sleek roof that should cost more than a 5 series.

Now we should get a FWD 2 series Gran Coupe that should cost more than a 3 series?

3series GT with a price to mach a 5 series.

on so on.
BMW is counting on China and on Leasing contracts; European tax laws are slowly changing, in few years it will be cheaper to buy a car personally than to lease it on the company. Only 20% of sold cars go to customers (Germany).
China is slowing down and maturing as a market (few years back you had to pay extra on the list price if you wanted a normal delivery time; now you get 20 off the list price if the producer wants to avoid sitting on the "luxury" car).

Long term? BMW should avoid Audi marketing and sale methods.
Antares is offline   Italy
0
Reply With Quote
      10-03-2012, 02:35 AM   #29
Imola.ZHP
No car payments...
 
Imola.ZHP's Avatar
 
Drives: 2003 BMW 330i ZHP
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Mud Island, TN

Posts: 1,959
iTrader: (0)

Send a message via AIM to Imola.ZHP Send a message via MSN to Imola.ZHP Send a message via Yahoo to Imola.ZHP
Please let that 2er GC be RWD and approximately e46 size and offered in an M version!

F30 is a BOAT and I need a new car...
__________________

Marcus
-- 330i ZHP
-- Build Date 03/03/03

Last edited by Imola.ZHP; 10-03-2012 at 02:42 AM.
Imola.ZHP is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      10-03-2012, 02:44 AM   #30
AusF20
Captain
 
AusF20's Avatar
 
Drives: BMW 125i M sport
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Brisbane

Posts: 769
iTrader: (0)

AS a current owner of new F20 125i M Sport (very good) and having owned previous M cars (very, very, very good), I think BMW has to let their M department take control of the next generation of M cars instead of trying to make them into Grand tourers
(EG M6) to appeal to a wider audience.

BMW already has the mechanism in 'M Sport' in each model now, for the
'Grand tourer or Sport'

let M be the wild child it was meant to be
AusF20 is offline   Australia
0
Reply With Quote
      10-03-2012, 03:10 AM   #31
THE JEDI
Major
 
Drives: 2005 Z4 2.5i
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: JAPAN, Okinawa

Posts: 1,431
iTrader: (0)

i LIKE THAT SPORTS BACK..THIS WILL ALSO BRING IN YOUNG FOLKS BUT ALSO EMPTY NEST PEOPLE..they have to bring this to the U.S.
THE JEDI is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      10-03-2012, 03:11 AM   #32
red-sauerkraut
.
 
red-sauerkraut's Avatar
 
Drives: x-car/m-car
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: northern hemisphere

Posts: 3,635
iTrader: (0)

Ummm,,, The motor sucks and there is zero room for anybody including a helmet.

Quote:
Originally Posted by speedfan View Post
i wanna see a sport car from BMW, something like Subie BRZ, Toyota 86.

Did you know the COG of the Subie BRZ/Toyota 86 is better than the Porsche Cayman, & only behind the Ferrari 360?
*drool*
red-sauerkraut is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      10-03-2012, 04:16 AM   #33
ovekvam
Colonel
 
Drives: F20 116i M-Sport
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Bryne, Norway

Posts: 2,068
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut View Post
Ummm,,, The motor sucks and there is zero room for anybody including a helmet.
I think the motor seems very well suited for the purpose. It is a high revving naturally aspirated engine. For me 150 hp would be enough, so 200 hp is more than I need. The important thing is that the power is delivered immediately after stepping on the throttle. In my F20, there seems to be a one second delay, which is a real killjoy.

And some of my friends are rather tall. I am 189 cm myself, and one friend who is 196 cm fits just fine. There is even room for a helmet. He will probably buy a Toyota GT86, having driven only BMWs for 20 years or so.

Last edited by ovekvam; 10-03-2012 at 06:57 AM.
ovekvam is offline   Norway
0
Reply With Quote
      10-03-2012, 06:43 AM   #34
BMWDAD
Captain
 
BMWDAD's Avatar
 
Drives: 2008 BMW 335i Coupe/6mt/sports
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Long Island, NY

Posts: 753
iTrader: (0)

BRZ (sti version) in on my short list if the 2 coupe is a non looker.
BMWDAD is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      10-03-2012, 07:27 AM   #35
M ETT
Private First Class
 
M ETT's Avatar
 
Drives: 1M VO, F30 EBII
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Northern Europe (Next door to Santa)

Posts: 123
iTrader: (0)

I don't know if it's just me, but the back end of the second picture looks just like an Alfa Romeo Brera (which is a great looking car but crap quality, which I know since I've owned one). But never the less make the 2 gran sport coupe look like that, with a 6 banger M version and I'll be considering a little brother for my 1M (If its RWD of course)
M ETT is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      10-03-2012, 07:55 AM   #36
DASHOCKER
The power of V!
 
DASHOCKER's Avatar
 
Drives: 2007 335i coupe steptronic
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: NYC

Posts: 1,857
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
1998 Lexus Gs400  [0.00]
2010 ebony & ivory  [0.00]
2006 BMW X3  [0.00]
2009 pics  [0.00]
2009 e92 335 xdrive  [0.00]
Send a message via Yahoo to DASHOCKER
this car will be hot!
__________________
2007 335 coupe Alpine white, steptronic, sportpack, etc. (gone)
2006 X3 3.0 steptronic Titanium Silver, 2009 E92 335xdrive, next.... Caddy CTS_V! 13 Lincoln MKZ? hmmm.
DASHOCKER is offline   Germany
0
Reply With Quote
      10-03-2012, 08:06 AM   #37
bimmerJP
First Lieutenant
 
bimmerJP's Avatar
 
Drives: 2008 e90 335i
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Texas, the United States of America, Planet Earth, Universe

Posts: 372
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2008 BMW 335i  [2.50]
Thumbs down

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrClean335i View Post
The Veloster looks awesome.
No. Hell no.
bimmerJP is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      10-03-2012, 08:07 AM   #38
bimmerJP
First Lieutenant
 
bimmerJP's Avatar
 
Drives: 2008 e90 335i
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Texas, the United States of America, Planet Earth, Universe

Posts: 372
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2008 BMW 335i  [2.50]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frosty View Post
"Given BMW's design director Adrian Van Hooydunk's admiration for the Hyundai Veloster . The 2er Gran Sport Tourer aims to enhance that level of individuality but offer customers the exciting profile of a Coupe and sports tourer, "

...I spit out my drink reading this... VH has lost his mind... this is desire by marketing panel not aesthetics...
Exactly...
bimmerJP is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      10-03-2012, 08:11 AM   #39
ozinaldo
Brigadier General
 
ozinaldo's Avatar
 
Drives: 1M
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Chile, Santiago

Posts: 3,045
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by formula M View Post
We already know the 1M is being replaced by the M2. Scott even eluded that the M2 will share M3 components, but be offered up as direct replacement for the 1M.

just 3 months ago: Jason


from other threads:






And my personal favorite (& some others):




With an engineered 4cyl, 360ft-lbs is possible. with CF top, limited slip & 6manual... with a 1" longer wheelbase than the 1M..?

Scott.. what is with all this Grand Sport Tourer & Grand Coupe stuff..(?) those cars are fine, but you must have a raw version of the car, before upscaling it. The M2 should already be near testing phase, or in production.. or didn't the CEO of "everywhere" not take notice the demand for the 1M..?

Where can we find a RWD, 6 manual with LSD in america...? BRZ?
Vow, that last render and wishful thinking naturally following the image I like the idea of M2 including a Gran Coupe variant, hope it will be different than the 1M in certain aspects though, just to have its own personality. A well engineered 4 cylinder turbo with more weight saving would be really cool.
__________________
"The mark of a great car is one whose overall competence exceeds what you should expect from its individual components and the 1M does just that", Chris Harris.
BMW 1M-SOLD-: TECH: Evolve Race+N55mids, Evolve IC, Michelin PSS, ER cp, aFe filter, CDVx, Vorshlag camber plates, BMS OCC EXTERIOR: trunk spoiler, blacklines, black grills, IND goodies INTERIOR: Alcantara steering wheel, steel pedals, custom mats, MPower e-brake.
ozinaldo is offline   Chile
0
Reply With Quote
      10-03-2012, 08:12 AM   #40
Legato2057
First Lieutenant
 
Legato2057's Avatar
 
Drives: 2008 monaco blue e90 335i
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: San Diego

Posts: 393
iTrader: (1)

A front wheel drive BMW just seems pointless. If you want BMW quality and engineering, but FWD, they already make the MINI. Anything significantly smaller than the 1 series would be similar in size to Toyotoa IQ.
__________________
2008 Monaco Blue/Tan interior 335i sedan. Mods: AFE intake w/ scoops, AFE Exhaust, ER FMIC, Koni FSD/Eibcach Pro-Kit, Breyton Race GTS wheels w/ Continental ExtremeContact DW tires, Cusco OS strut bar. BavAuto Black/Beige seat covers w/ black floor mats, M3 rep trunk lip, eBay front splitters.
Legato2057 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      10-03-2012, 08:27 AM   #41
ovekvam
Colonel
 
Drives: F20 116i M-Sport
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Bryne, Norway

Posts: 2,068
iTrader: (0)

I think there is quite a big gap in size between the Toyota IQ and the one series. The F20 feels bigger than an E36 3 series, and my 116i hits 1350 kg on the scale. I wouldn't mind downsizing it a bit.

The current one series size is the segment where the most cars are sold in Europe, so that is what I (with euro-eyes) would call a normal size car. The 3-series and bigger are big cars, while BMW has no small cars in the current lineup.
ovekvam is offline   Norway
0
Reply With Quote
      10-03-2012, 09:39 AM   #42
mujjuman
New Member
 
Drives: Black
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: New York

Posts: 21
iTrader: (0)

It's only going to get bigger and bigger after the first gen.
mujjuman is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      10-03-2012, 10:49 AM   #43
BMWDAD
Captain
 
BMWDAD's Avatar
 
Drives: 2008 BMW 335i Coupe/6mt/sports
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Long Island, NY

Posts: 753
iTrader: (0)

if ONLY they could make the red one, (last pic) but we know they will not
BMWDAD is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      10-03-2012, 11:08 AM   #44
SCOTT26
Brigadier General
 
SCOTT26's Avatar
 
Drives: Frozen Dark Silver 30 Jahre
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: WORLDWIDE

Posts: 3,030
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Frosty View Post
"Given BMW's design director Adrian Van Hooydunk's admiration for the Hyundai Veloster . The 2er Gran Sport Tourer aims to enhance that level of individuality but offer customers the exciting profile of a Coupe and sports tourer, "

...I spit out my drink reading this... VH has lost his mind... this is desire by marketing panel not aesthetics...
The Hyundai Veloster is actually a great looking little car with very decent sporting dynamics and far more communication for the driver than an equivalent Audi. I like cars that dare to do something different and stress individuality over the conventional option.

The genes from the Gran Sport Tourer actually manifest themselves within the BMW 2002 and the sporting Coupe like Touring models.
But GST is designed to be more sporting and innovative to the customer.
One promise is made no matter if the car is FWD or RWD BMW aim to offer customers the most sporting , dynamic , innovative and exciting propositions in the entry segment.
Cars are more personal today especially as technology progresses, the car is no longer that tool for A-B. Style , individuality, driveability and innovation is what signifies the expression of the car in this age and especially a BMW.

The 2er Gran Coupe and 2er Gran Sport Tourer are exclusively RWD.
That is brought on by the fact that BMW customers would prefer a small four door sports sedan but only if it is rear wheel drive.
By making the 2er Gran Coupe RWD it sends out a strong message to the FWD competition the 2er will face namely the Mercedes-Benz CLA and Audi A3Sedan that BMW are targeting enthusiasts with what they want from a small sedan.
__________________
XS
SCOTT26 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
2 series coupe, 2 series gran coupe forum, 2 series gran coupe forums, 2 series gran sport tourer, 2 series gst, 2-series forum, 2-series forums, bmw 2 series, bmw 2 series coupe, bmw 2 series forums, bmw 2 series gran coupe, bmw 2 series gran coupe forum, bmw 2 series gran coupe forums, bmw 2 series gran sport tourer, bmw 2 series gst, bmw 2-series forum, bmw 2gc, bmw 2gc forum, bmw m2, bmw m2 coupe, bmw m2 forum, bmw m2 forums, bmw m2 gran coupe, m2 coupe, m2 forum, m2 forums, m2 gran coupe

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:19 AM.




2addicts
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST