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Originally Posted by BarryJI
Foolish argument, childish really.
I drove both the M235i and the 228i extensively. I realised that, stock, they both understeer, there was way too much body roll in all axes, and this was affecting the way the power was being put down on the road and the effect of the cars' output. This was much more noticeable in the bigger, heavier 235 but also an issue for the 228. I talked to my tuners; the consensus was that a properly modified 228 is a better car than a stock 235 (note, this was their opinion, albeit one with which I concur) and that for less than the difference in price between the two cars stock, I could mod the 228's suspension and tune the engine to the point at which it would handle much better, have livelier driving dynamics and be quicker than a stock 235 for the kind of driving I do, which involves a lot of canyon roads and stop-start city driving.
Note my use of italics above. These are to emphasize that, as I pointed out before, any judgement on which is the better car is subjective and must be qualified as such instead of presented as incontrovertible fact. If I wanted the car with more muscle, for example if I did more long-distance highway driving, of course the 235 would be more appropriate (but not better), just as it would be on the autobahn. Those of you who are presenting the M235i as indisputably the better car are engaging in a very crude and unhelpful form of debased, saloon-bar "logic" that could not pass muster in a half-decent college environment, let alone among adults.
In four years I will move from the modded 228 to an M2. I hope I will not be so defensive, insecure or ignorant to be on here all day beating my chest about having a "better" car than the 235. It's bad manners and generates more heat than light.
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The only one sounding insecure and offended here is you. Most of the users are here are just stating their opinions, and you guys are more interested in personal attacks rather than trying to argue why 228i can even compete with the m235i other than things like "it feels more fun to me due to the lighter nose (lol) " .
Even the steak vs hamburger argument sucks. Yea of course some people prefer hamburger over steak, but it is of a general consensus that steak is of a higher class regardless. Funny thing is that this isn't even steak vs hamburger, its steak vs steak, and in this case, its like a higher grade steak vs a lower grade cut. Some people would prefer the lower grade one of course
It is after-all a matter of personal preference, but theres nothing wrong with me saying i prefer a tenderloin vs a sirloin.
Even the OP feels the the arguments arn't focused on the cars anymore, but the amount of butthurt people (or rather just always the same few people) feel from the fact that others could (GASP) state that the car higher up in the same series is superior to their own. Its not bad manners to state one thing is better than another, its a right to state an opinion, and thats what people like the OP are looking to see when they visit a forum like this.
Its a waste of time if ego can't be left out of the discussion. If anything, do a simple search of 228i vs 235i, and you'll find always the same 2-3 people fighting tooth and nail for the 228i with the same emotional argument rather than the grounded facts. You can't state one car is better than the other without the same people popping up with the same arguments. And everyone someone tries to state a black and white "opinion" it gets personal when people get butthurt.
Personally, i'd NEVER try to convince myself my buy was correct. If i think another car is better. I'll just try to work towards buying it. Its as simple as that. Telling it as it is, the n20 sounds bad, has turbo lag, and vibrates heavily, but is also more fuel efficient, and packs decent punch.