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Originally Posted by w3rkn

You said it yourself... "The f80 is too big for me, but... "
If an M car has gotten to big, then it has become an improper M-Car. The M5's of yore weren't too big, and yet now the M3 is..

Seems BMW has you fooled too, & You are defending cars you wouldn't even buy. The F80 is invalid to me, because the premium you pay was for small cars. If BMW wants to get big, USA has plenty of that.

Nearly 25 peep at a tailgate last week all were discussing this exact thing. If the BMW M2 isn't a value like the 1M, many are hanging up their roundel for an American car. Seems American manufacturers understand the heart of driving..

What is a proper M car anyway? Ever own one before?
The F80 is in a weird spot that it's too big to be a pure weekend car, but too small for my needs as a sole DD because I have 2 big dogs. If they had made an F81, I would glaly would have sold everything I have and bought one of those! Even the E39 M5 doesn't really fit my need, but are you going to tell me that it's not a "proper" M car? Don't know what made you think I wouldn't consider an F80. If the M2 doesn't quite work out, the F80 is well within my radar of next car I add to my E92.

Like I said, the Corvette is a hell of a value. But if you are looking for a practical, fast and fun car, what are you going to get? A Mustang or Camaro? Hardly compact lightweight cars are they.

I see that in every thread, you keep saying how everything has gone to hell since the E46 M3. Ever driven any of them by any chance?